Official The rocknrollsisyphus Prospect Thread

[TWownsU]

I might be moving 3 years of Zack Wheeler for 5 years (starting next year, unless he doesnt exhaust rookie elig this year, in that case basically 6yrs) of Carter Kieboom. Plus some other good but only RoS stuff on my side in a dynasty league, and i need more thoughts on Kieboom.

Looking at a potential Hiura, Kieboom core for the next half decade, with Keibert as well

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

I might be moving 3 years of Zack Wheeler for 5 years (starting next year, unless he doesnt exhaust rookie elig this year, in that case basically 6yrs) of Carter Kieboom. Plus some other good but only RoS stuff on my side in a dynasty league, and i need more thoughts on Kieboom.

Looking at a potential Hiura, Kieboom core for the next half decade, with Keibert as well

Kieboom is still a top-50 prospect. I don't know if he's a shortstop long-term, but he'll be damn good at 2B or 3B. In pure fantasy terms, he's a guy that I see hitting .280+ with 15 to 25 home runs (the juiced ball makes for the big range) and the ability to steal 5 to 10 bases. And he has a great approach at the plate, so he should be even better in leagues that use OBP.

 

[woy1509]

Your top prospect (excluding Reyes) and biggest 2018 mover in the Cards' system?

Jack Flaherty is easily their second best prospect. He has four pitches in the 50 to 60 range, and he has a great command and control profile. He's not going to be an ace, but he has a very, very high floor. And if he finds a bit more consistency with the break in his curve, I could see him having a season or two as a Cy Young contender.

I've also always loved Tyler O'Neill. I wouldn't rank him second, but he's a damn good product.

As for a big mover, I really like Junior Fernandez. He has one of the best change ups in the minors, and he flirts with 100 with his fastball. The trouble is that it's a straight fastball, and his slider is a work in progress. But that velo mixed with that change and an average third pitch would be a killer combination ... And I think he could put that together this year.

I'm also a big fan of Randy Arozarena. There are rumors that they're going to let him learn the IF to be a super utility player, and he has the athleticism to do it. Add in a nice power and speed combo and I think he can be a stud bench player (if such a thing exists).

Good call on both Fernandez and Arozarena. Fernandez has been money in relief this season and should have a role right now in the major league pen, while Arozarena has been hitting everything since a subpar AAA run last season. Arozarena honestly should be in the mix for the current CF role with how jumbled it's been this year.

It's been a down season for the Cardinals' system, but Gorman and Carlson have been notable exceptions. How much has their stock risen and what do you seem them becoming in the majors?

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

Good call on both Fernandez and Arozarena. Fernandez has been money in relief this season and should have a role right now in the major league pen, while Arozarena has been hitting everything since a subpar AAA run last season. Arozarena honestly should be in the mix for the current CF role with how jumbled it's been this year.

It's been a down season for the Cardinals' system, but Gorman and Carlson have been notable exceptions. How much has their stock risen and what do you seem them becoming in the majors?

Gorman is among the best third base prospects in the game, and might - might - have the highest ceiling with the bat within that group. I've also heard that his defense at third has improved a bit this season, and his ability to stay at that position is a big part of his value; his bat would be special there, but more good than great at first. He's looked over-matched at times in High-A (which isn't shocking, considering he's only 19), but it's good to see that the power is shining through in pitcher's leagues. I don't think he reaches the majors before 2021, but I think he's a top-25 prospect heading into 2020.

Carlson has five average tools, so you can probably call him a five-tool prospect. However, I'm not sure that he has any one tool that's better than above-average - so, even as he dominates Double-A, I'm not quite ready to anoint him as a legitimate stud. I think he's a top-100 prospect, and I think he'll be up by next Summer (if not earlier). He kind of reminds me of Mitch Haniger, though, so I could be underrating him.

 

[GoBlue32]

luis "mickey mantle couldn't hold his jock" robert, the unanimous #1 prospect in the history of baseball has signed a 6 year deal with the white sox for $900 million

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[woy1509]

Matthew Liberatore. Need your breakdown, [URL='https://www.ign.com/boards/members/rocknrollsisyphus.4122076/']@rocknrollsisyphus[/URL].

 

[UncleBen59]

Realistically speaking, The sox are trying to trade Price/JBJ/Evoldi to dump salary. What's a realistic prospect(s) that the Sox could net from those 3?

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

Matthew Liberatore. Need your breakdown, [URL='https://www.ign.com/boards/members/rocknrollsisyphus.4122076/'][URL='https://www.ign.com/boards/members/rocknrollsisyphus.4122076/']@rocknrollsisyphus[/URL][/URL].

Getting Liberatore for two incredibly replaceable players was an absolute score for the Cardinals. Liberatore has a ridiculously good curveball, a solid-average fastball, a solid-average change-up, and a ... well ... kind of cruddy slider. But those first three offerings are more than enough to make him a mid-rotation starter, even with presently fringe command and control. I like his mechanics and the natural deception in his delivery, and I think he could be as good as a number two starter with realistic improvements to that command. He might be more of a groundball specialist than a strikeout guy, which might lead to more variance than you'd like - but I think that curveball could be special.

Realistically speaking, The sox are trying to trade Price/JBJ/Evoldi to dump salary. What's a realistic prospect(s) that the Sox could net from those 3?

I don't really know what's realistic here. Price is owed a lot of money, has struggled to stay healthy, and is entering his mid-30s; Bradley hasn't hit for four years and is on the last year of team control; and Eovaldi is owed a decent amount of money and isn't all that good. I think the hope would be that a team will either take on the salary and give you scraps back, or that you can pay down a lot of the contract and get a lottery ticket or mid-level prospect back.

 

[GoBlue32]

Jim Bowden, come on my podcast

 

[Sawyerson]

I haven't followed Amaya at all this year. I usually end up digging back into the breakout players at some point in the late summer or early fall, so I'll get there eventually ... but I don't have a ton of information about him right now.

That being said, he was one of those guys that got talked-up for having the modest floor of back-up catcher, because he's incredibly athletic - and not just for a catcher. He's lean and quick, and he has a great arm. I didn't see a ton of power in his swing, because it's kind of flat, but it sounds like he's killing the ball this season, so what do I know?

Two years later, how do you feel about Miguel Amaya? Opinions seem to be mixed on him. Some people have him as the Cubs top prospect while BA has him at 4th in the system and outside the top 100 overall.

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

Two years later, how do you feel about Miguel Amaya? Opinions seem to be mixed on him. Some people have him as the Cubs top prospect while BA has him at 4th in the system and outside the top 100 overall.

I have Amaya as the team's second-best prospect. He profiles as an above-average defensive catcher (with the potential to be plus), which is a helluva starting point - especially for someone son young. Offensively, you're looking at someone that should be an asset at the position. He has an advanced approach at the plate, an above-average hit tool, and average-ish pop. I don't think he's going to hit more than 15 home runs in a season - but I can also see him hitting .260 to .270 with a healthy amount of walks.

I don't really get what's not to like about Amaya. I'd say he's the Cubs second-best prospect, after Hoerner. And I'm not sure that Hoerner's better - he's just ahead of the game. I guess I can see an argument for Marquez, because his stuff is bonkers ... but I haven't read a lot of enthusiastic appraisals of his mechanics or his command.

 

[UncleBen59]

Is Brusdar Graterol a good prospect or a slap-dick prospect?

 

[VyseTheFearless]

Is there anyone in the Brewers farm system to get excited about other than Brice Turang who is probably 2 years away still? We REALLY need to figure out how to scout, evaluate, and develop pitchers better.

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

Is Brusdar Graterol a good prospect or a slap-dick prospect?

He’s a damn good prospect. He has a lot of risk because of injuries, so he might end up as a reliever - but I think his reliever profile would be as an elite closer. But with an 80 sinker, a 70 breaking ball, and an average change, he could be a top of the rotation starter.

Is there anyone in the Brewers farm system to get excited about other than Brice Turang who is probably 2 years away still? We REALLY need to figure out how to scout, evaluate, and develop pitchers better.

Lutz has a lot of power and elite bat speed. If he can straighten out his swing mechanics, he could be an All Star in RF. That’s a big if, but it’s a big time ceiling.

I like Mario Feliciano, too. He’s a solid defensive catcher with the tools to hit and hit for some power. His approach isn’t great, but he’s still young. I think he could be an above average all around catcher.

 

[Balcor13]

Luis Rengifo @rocknrollsisyphus

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

Luis Rengifo @rocknrollsisyphus

He’s a solid utility infielder. Good defense at second and short, solid contact skills, above average speed. I think he’d be stretched a bit thin as an every day player, but he could be passable in the event of an injury or something.

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

With more activity on this board and my desperate search for a positive baseball topic in full effect, I decided to share my top-fifty prospects with y'all. Enjoy!

1. Wander Franco, Rays
2. Jo Adell, Angels
3. Luis Robert, White Sox
4. Gavin Lux, Dodgers
5. Jarred Kelenic, Mariners
6. Adley Rutschman, Orioles
7. Jesus Luzardo, A's
8. MacKenzie Gore, Padres
9. Cristian Pache, Braves
10. Julio Rodriguez, Mariners
11. Dustin May, Dodgers
12. Nate Pearson, Blue Jays
13. CJ Abrams, Padres
14. Sixto Sanchez, Marlins
15. Marco Luciano, Giants
16. Bobby Witt Jr., Royals
17. Spencer Howard, Phillies
18. Dylan Carlson, Cardinals
19. Brendan McKay, Rays
20. Carter Kieboom, Nationals
21. Casey Mize, Tigers
22. AJ Puk, A's
23. Michael Kopech, White Sox
24. Brandon Marsh, Angels
25. Sean Murphy, A's
26. Tarik Skubal, Tigers
27. Joey Bart, Giants
28. Brendan Rodgers, Rockies
29. Luis Patino, Padres
30. Matthew Liberatore, Cardinals
31. Grayson Rodriguez, Orioles
32. Nolan Jones, Indians
33. Daulton Varsho, Diamondbacks
34. Oneil Cruz, Pirates
35. Ke'Bryan Hayes, Pirates
36. Jesus Sanchez, Marlins
37. Drew Waters, Braves
38. Alex Kirilloff, Twins
39. Jordan Groshans, Blue Jays
40. Alec Bohm, Phillies
41. Royce Lewis, SS
42. Forrest Whitley, Astros
43. Deivi Garcia, Yankees
44. Nico Hoerner, Cubs
45. Simeon Wood Richardson, Blue Jays
46. Brusdar Graterol, Dodgers
47. DL Hall, Orioles
48. Brailyn Marquez, Cubs
49. Kristian Robinson, Diamondbacks
50. Jazz Chisholm, Marlins

 

[Sawyerson]

Brailyn Marquez over Miguel Amaya?

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

Brailyn Marquez over Miguel Amaya?

Amaya was one of the last cuts. I’ve been reading less than enthusiastic things about his defense, and I don’t think he has the sort of profile that works if he’s not a father.

And everything I’ve read about Marquez makes it seem like he’s sorting out his mechanics. If that’s the case, he has top of the rotation potential. I’m a sucker for that sort of stuff.

 

[DNA1217-]

Thoughts on the Marlins farm system?

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

Thoughts on the Marlins farm system?

I haven't ranked the organizations at this point, but the Marlins would certainly be in the top half or so right now. They have a lot of high-end talent in the system, with another two players (Edward Cabrera and JJ Bleday) earning consideration for my top-50, and a good amount of depth. They're in a good position, too, as they have a slew of solid prospects who should be able to contribute as early as next year.

 

[Ocks-Wifed]

What do you think of the royals Fab Four of pitchers from the 2018 draft (Brady Singer, Jackson Kowar, Daniel Lynch, and Kris Bubic) and do you have a favorite out of the group?

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

What do you think of the royals Fab Four of pitchers from the 2018 draft (Brady Singer, Jackson Kowar, Daniel Lynch, and Kris Bubic) and do you have a favorite out of the group?

I'd rank them:

1. Kowar
2. Lynch
3. Singer
4. Bubic

The first three are all close overall. I have each with a mid-rotation ceiling; Singer's the closest to the majors, but I don't think he has the plus pitches that Lynch (slider) and Kowar (change-up) have. I think Singer's more of a well-rounded pitcher with a deeper arsenal, for whatever that's worth.

And Bubic is good, too. I just see him as more of a 4th starter than the other three. He's like 90% of Singer as a prospect, if that makes sense.

 

[Ocks-Wifed]

Interesting. Usually don’t see Kowar at the top of people’s ranks of those 4 but I agree they’re all pretty close.

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

Interesting. Usually don’t see Kowar at the top of people’s ranks of those 4 but I agree they’re all pretty close.

I'm a sucker for a plus-plus offering, and that's how I see Kowar's change-up. Lynch's slider is close to plus-plus, but it's not quite there; and Singer doesn't have anything close. That's enough for me to elevate someone when everything else is kind of close.

I also read that Kowar's curve is progressing nicely. If he can get that up to consistently average, he could have some ace-caliber seasons. That's a big if - but still.

 

[DNA1217-]

I haven't ranked the organizations at this point, but the Marlins would certainly be in the top half or so right now. They have a lot of high-end talent in the system, with another two players (Edward Cabrera and JJ Bleday) earning consideration for my top-50, and a good amount of depth. They're in a good position, too, as they have a slew of solid prospects who should be able to contribute as early as next year.

MLB has us top 5 which is nice. Sixto Sanchez, Edward Cabrera, JJ Bleday, Jesus Sanchez and Jazz Chisholm are all top prospects with All-Star ceilings. We have the 3rd overall pick coming up in June’s draft and should draft one of Torkelson, Martin or Lacy. I’m hoping for Martin but I’d be cool with Lacy too.

2020 was supposed to be the year a lot of our headline prospects like Sixto, Cabrera, Jesus and Jazz were going to make their debuts

 

[NBAman619]

@rocknrollsisyphus what do you think of Heliot Ramos' progress?

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

@rocknrollsisyphus what do you think of Heliot Ramos' progress?

Ramos has been young for every level, so any analysis of his progress has to take that into account. There's more swing and miss than you'd like, and he has struggled with stuff in on his hands. I don't think he necessarily has a bad approach at the plate - but it's not all that great, either. A full season at Double-A is going to be a huge test for him; his plus-plus bat speed and plus raw power have helped him get by, but seeing more deep pitch arsenals is going to be a big-time challenge. I've read that his speed dropped a grade as he's gotten bigger, but he still looks plenty athletic to me, and I'd keep him in CF for as long as possible. I think he has the potential to be an All-Star - he just has quite a bit to prove.

He was one of the last handful of guys to miss the cut, for whatever that's worth.

 

[UncleBen59]

Doesn't see any Red Sox prospects

Reality is often disappointing

 

[rockchalkjordan]

Tag

 

[rockchalkjordan]

@rocknrollsisyphus curious why you’re low (but even not really) on Gore

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

@rocknrollsisyphus curious why you’re low (but even not really) on Gore

Four through eight are all interchangeable, to be honest. I don’t really know how to answer the question otherwise, because I think Gore has ace potential.

 

[UncleBen59]

BoSox took Nick Yorke, seems like a reach. Is he decent or is this because the Sox salary situation?

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

BoSox took Nick Yorke, seems like a reach. Is he decent or is this because the Sox salary situation?

Can’t it be both? I don’t really have another explanation for it. Everything I’ve read makes it seem like a highly questionable pick at best.

 

[rockchalkjordan]

Asa Lacy

 

[Ocks-Wifed]

Royals dominated that punk ass 1st round

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

Asa Lacy

Royals dominated that punk ass 1st round

Lacy was my favorite pitcher in the draft, and maybe my favorite prospect overall. And I think Loftin should have went top-20, so they got at least a minor steal there. You guys should be absolutely stoked.

 

[GoBlue32]

hate the white sox pick, rather have mick abel and a worse second round pick. even if they turn around and get kelley at 39 i still hate the crochet pick.

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

hate the white sox pick, rather have mick abel and a worse second round pick. even if they turn around and get kelley at 39 i still hate the crochet pick.

I feel like they saw a lot of Chris Sale in Crochet, and figured lightning can strike twice. I’m fairly confident that he’s a reliever (and a great one at that), though, so I don’t really love the pick. I agree that Abel was a better choice. If they really wanted a college arm, I would have also preferred Bobby Miller.

 

[Balcor13]

i'm a big fan of what the Dodgers did, especially if they can sign Vogel

 

[UncleBen59]

Can’t it be both? I don’t really have another explanation for it. Everything I’ve read makes it seem like a highly questionable pick at best.

Apparently he intends to go to ASU so the Sox get the pick back when he doesn't sign? I guess??

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

Apparently he intends to go to ASU so the Sox get the pick back when he doesn't sign? I guess??

So they punted a pick in a solid draft to save money? That's absolutely pathetic.

 

[UncleBen59]

So they punted a pick in a solid draft to save money? That's absolutely pathetic.

I mean we literally traded a generational talent... again... just to save money.

That play Henry must be financing better be good...

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

I went ahead and ranked the next 25 prospects. I'll probably make it an even hundred sometime soon-ish.

51. Nolan Gorman, St. Louis Cardinals
52. Shane Baz, Tampa Bay Rays
53. Andrew Vaughn, Chicago White Sox
54. Vidal Brujan, Tampa Bay Rays
55. Ronny Mauricio, New York Mets
56. Luis Campusano, San Diego Padres
57. Nick Madrigal, Chicago White Sox
58. Ian Anderson, Atlanta Braves
59. Logan Gilbert, Seattle Mariners
60. Matt Manning, Detroit Tigers
61. JJ Bleday, Miami Marlins
62. Miguel Amaya, Chicago Cubs
63. Riley Greene, Detroit Tigers
64. Jeter Downs, Boston Red Sox
65. Jhoan Duran, Minnesota Twins
66. Brennen Davis, Chicago Cubs
67. Edward Cabrera, Miami Marlins
68. Mitch Keller, Pittsburgh Pirates
69. Josiah Gray, Los Angeles Dodgers
70. Alek Thomas, Arizona Diamondbacks
71. Nick Lodolo, Cincinnati Reds
72. Kyle Muller, Atlanta Braves
73. Tony Gonsolin, Los Angeles Dodgers
74. Jordyn Adams, Los Angeles Angels
75. Hunter Bishop, San Francisco Giants

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

Let's make it an even hundred.

76. Jackson Kowar, Kansas City Royals
77. Daniel Lynch, Kansas City Royals
78. Kyle Wright, Atlanta Braves
79. Trevor Larnach, Minnesota Twins
80. Clarke Schmidt, New York Yankees
81. Heliot Ramos, San Francisco Giants
82. Francisco Alvarez, New York Mets
83. Tyler Freeman, Cleveland Indians
84. Geraldo Perdomo, Airzona Diamondbacks
85. Keibert Ruiz, Los Angeles Dodgers
86. Evan White, Seattle Mariners
87. Xavier Edwards, Tampa Bay Rays
88. Corbin Carroll, Arizona Diamondbacks
89. Jordan Balazovic, Minnesota Twins
90. Sam Huff, Texas Rangers
91. Isaac Paredes, Detroit Tigers
92. Josh Jung, Texas Rangers
93. Brady Singer, Kansas City Royals
94. Andres Gimenez, New York Mets
95. Bryson Stott, Philadelphia Phillies
96. Seth Corry, San Francisco Giants
97. George Kirby, Seattle Mariners
98. Josh Lowe, Tampa Bay Rays
99. Liover Peguero, Pittsburgh Pirates
100. Ezequiel Duran, New York Yankees

 

[rockchalkjordan]

Let's make it an even hundred.

76. Jackson Kowar, Kansas City Royals
77. Daniel Lynch, Kansas City Royals
78. Kyle Wright, Atlanta Braves
79. Trevor Larnach, Minnesota Twins
80. Clarke Schmidt, New York Yankees
81. Heliot Ramos, San Francisco Giants
82. Francisco Alvarez, New York Mets
83. Tyler Freeman, Cleveland Indians
84. Geraldo Perdomo, Airzona Diamondbacks
85. Keibert Ruiz, Los Angeles Dodgers
86. Evan White, Seattle Mariners
87. Xavier Edwards, Tampa Bay Rays
88. Corbin Carroll, Arizona Diamondbacks
89. Jordan Balazovic, Minnesota Twins
90. Sam Huff, Texas Rangers
91. Isaac Paredes, Detroit Tigers
92. Josh Jung, Texas Rangers
93. Brady Singer, Kansas City Royals
94. Andres Gimenez, New York Mets
95. Bryson Stott, Philadelphia Phillies
96. Seth Corry, San Francisco Giants
97. George Kirby, Seattle Mariners
98. Josh Lowe, Tampa Bay Rays
99. Liover Peguero, Pittsburgh Pirates
100. Ezeuquiel Duran, New York Yankees

I get Kowar over Lynch (even if I disagree), but both over Singer? Surprising

 

[Ocks-Wifed]

I'd rank them:

1. Kowar
2. Lynch
3. Singer
4. Bubic

The first three are all close overall. I have each with a mid-rotation ceiling; Singer's the closest to the majors, but I don't think he has the plus pitches that Lynch (slider) and Kowar (change-up) have. I think Singer's more of a well-rounded pitcher with a deeper arsenal, for whatever that's worth.

And Bubic is good, too. I just see him as more of a 4th starter than the other three. He's like 90% of Singer as a prospect, if that makes sense.

I get Kowar over Lynch (even if I disagree), but both over Singer? Surprising

Man already explained it

 

[rockchalkjordan]

Man already explained it

Oh u right. I’ll be back to ask again in a few weeks

 

[rocknrollsisyphus]

If there’s enough interest, I’ll go up to a top 150 prospects. If there’s overwhelming interest, I might go to 200. So ... let me know if y’all are interested.

And, if you are, feel free to ask some questions. I love talking prospects.

 

[AirNik]

Not enough Yankees