Shots Fired at Andrew Wiggins - Projected to be James Posey

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rockchalkjordan said:
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https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parkeja01.html#advanced::none

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wiggian01.html#advanced::none


...because Jabari is better?
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Having this argument again would be spinning a broken record. But can we at least agree that the Wiggins v. Parker battle for the century flopped harder than ang jumping off the high dive?
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It flopped harder than baronrule's dick into Ang's mouth.
 
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I mean Wiggins isn’t good but he averages 19ppg for his career. Posey never even sniffed that lol


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Wiggins has kind of turned into something he wasn't supposed to be. Finishing at the rim and free throws needed to be his go-to's but his free throws and rim attempts have been declining for a few years while his 3-point attempts are going up. That would be okay except he is well below-average three-point shooter. He's still making mid-range and/or baseline pull-ups a part of his game, which is naturally inefficient. And things like that exposes the rest of his flaws (feel for the game/IQ, defensive effort and instincts, inability to create for others) even more.

Damn shame, really. His game is almost the complete opposite of what you'd expect coming out of Kansas.
 
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He promised KG on Area 21 that he’ll be an all-star next season.

Somewhere, Wolves’ owner Glen Taylor probably got a boner by hearing that.
 
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Its still too early to write him off but he needs a change of team or coach and has obviously regressed under Thibs which I didn't see coming. I think it was more due to Butler but that he has fallen even further this year is not something that can be put on Butler.
 
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They were supposed to be the Timberwolves’ superheroes. Karl-Anthony Towns would be Batman. Andrew Wiggins would become his Robin.

Nearing the end of their fourth season together, they have separated like wheat and chaff, oil and water, Hall & Oates.

Towns has become Batman. Wiggins is merely robbin’.

The Wolves invested maximum contracts in their two most prodigious young talents. One has adopted the value arc of Google, the other of MySpace.

The two No. 1 overall picks arrived in Minnesota as supposed saviors. When a trade for Wiggins was followed by the Wolves winning the draft lottery in 2015, Flip Saunders cried while standing next to the Target Center floor, feeling the franchise’s luck had boomeranged.

Saunders returns to where it all began for his coaching career What is Tyus Jones' future with Timberwolves? He was half right.

Towns and Wiggins, KAT and Wigs, A1 and A2 have removed any reason to ever again include them in the same sentence.

The Wolves traded for Jimmy Butler to lead and inspire their young players. Not only did that backfire in terms of personnel and assets, it proved unnecessary.

Towns didn’t need to be led. He’s playing the best basketball of his life since Butler departed.

Wiggins can’t be led. Instead of taking advantage of Butler’s absence — either by becoming more productive or proving Butler’s insults wrong — Wiggins has lapsed into his usual catatonic state.

On Thursday night, in a damaging loss at Indiana, Wiggins made four of 14 shots from the field and scored 11 points with one assist in 37 minutes. He continued to make defensive mistakes and display poor court awareness.

He is one of the most prolific young scorers in NBA history, but his points come at a steep price — halting the offense so he can take low-percentage two-point shots, and losing touch with the player he is guarding.

Wiggins’ raw numbers aren’t terrible, but if you watch the games you don’t need statistical analysis to see what he lacks.

You only need to listen to him.

Earlier this season he insulted Wolves fans who have criticized him, after he perpetuated his penchant for missing key free throws. Thursday night, Wiggins told the Star Tribune’s Chris Hine, regarding his struggles: “I don’t let it bother me. I think next game I can make it better. I don’t worry about it.’’

This is another area where Towns has trumped Wiggins. Towns plays with energy, has charisma to burn and possesses the good sense to at least talk a good game when asked a tough question.

Perhaps the worst thing I’ve heard said in private of Towns is that he can be too polished, too smooth. When you’re a star, that’s not exactly an insult.

So what are the Wolves to do?

It’s simple.

They need to keep Towns at all costs, which means keeping him happy at all costs.

They need to bench Wiggins soon and trade him this summer.

Robert Covington has become the Wolves’ second-best and second most important player. That’s a compliment to him and an insult to Wiggins. When Covington returns, Wolves interim coach Ryan Saunders needs to bring Wiggins off the bench.

If that sounds drastic, consider these points:

• The Wolves have nothing to lose. If Wiggins is motivated by the benching, the Wolves may be able to salvage him as a player, and possibly salvage this season. If he’s not, they will have done all of the due diligence required before trading him.

• Saunders might not feel he has the authority to bench a maximum-salary player, but he’d be better off taking that risk than letting Wiggins destroy the season. Saunders looks like a much better coach when Wiggins is not on the court. Saunders needs to recognize that.

• Saunders has been deferential to Wiggins. The first lesson he should learn as a prospective NBA coach is that managing the wrong player in the wrong way will get you fired.

Look at Butler, and his good friend Tom Thibodeau.
 
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Wiggins for John Wall
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No one says no? Good to know. I was wondering who says no
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Minnesota instantly hangs up. Wall's contract goes from 37 next year, to 40, to 43 and ends at 46, while Wiggins deal is 27, 29, 31 and 33 in the next four years.

With Wiggins, there is still legit hope that a team will be dumb enough to take on his deal without accepting one of the worst contracts in (modern) sports history in return. There's going to be at least one GM that thinks a new environment etc can save him.
 
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Minnesota instantly hangs up. Wall's contract goes from 37 next year, to 40, to 43 and ends at 46, while Wiggins deal is 27, 29, 31 and 33 in the next four years.

With Wiggins, there is still legit hope that a team will be dumb enough to take on his deal without accepting one of the worst contracts in (modern) sports history in return. There's going to be at least one GM that thinks a new environment etc can save him.
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Idk man I think Wiggins is a lost cause in the eyes of most every GM. At least with Wall you could be semi competitive with him and KAT.

You’re not gonna get someone to take Wiggins without also returning a terrible contract
 
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Wiggins still has body parts that work, it's just his stupid mentality and motor. Maybe a different coach/team change can fix that.

Wall had a bad ankle that he was already getting surgery on, and then had the worst injury possible happen on the same ankle. He will never be the same guy again, and is on a horrible contract
 
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Idk man I think Wiggins is a lost cause in the eyes of most every GM. At least with Wall you could be semi competitive with him and KAT.

You’re not gonna get someone to take Wiggins without also returning a terrible contract
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There's at least hope Minny could take on two years of bad contracts for Wiggins in the off-season and he just turned 24.

Wall is an aging, oft injured PG whose game is both dated and completely built around his fading athleticism. His contract is going to look worse as times passes. Wall is also a shit teammate.

Don't get me wrong, Wiggins has been complete shit and his contract is horrendous, but there's some hope in a potential reclamation scenario. John Wall is the new Gilbert Arenas.
 
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I still think Wiggins has a chance to get it and while he will obviously never be the guy he was hyped to be he still can be a damn good player if he adjusts his game or all this shooting eventually turns him into a better shooter.
 
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I still think Wiggins has a chance to get it and while he will obviously never be the guy he was hyped to be he still can be a damn good player if he adjusts his game or all this shooting eventually turns him into a better shooter.
 
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There's at least hope Minny could take on two years of bad contracts for Wiggins in the off-season and he just turned 24.

Wall is an aging, oft injured PG whose game is both dated and completely built around his fading athleticism. His contract is going to look worse as times passes. Wall is also a shit teammate.

Don't get me wrong, Wiggins has been complete shit and his contract is horrendous, but there's some hope in a potential reclamation scenario. John Wall is the new Gilbert Arenas.
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John Wall was never as good as Gil was FOH
 
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rockchalkjordan said:
BuffRustpeck said:
There's at least hope Minny could take on two years of bad contracts for Wiggins in the off-season and he just turned 24.

Wall is an aging, oft injured PG whose game is both dated and completely built around his fading athleticism. His contract is going to look worse as times passes. Wall is also a shit teammate.

Don't get me wrong, Wiggins has been complete shit and his contract is horrendous, but there's some hope in a potential reclamation scenario. John Wall is the new Gilbert Arenas.
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John Wall was never as good as Gil was FOH
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You take that away from that post? Really? You get the fuck out of here with your awful taste in players.
 
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Competing with Donovan Mitchell for worst TS% among anyone averaging 15+ ppg, ironically, from you.
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Wiggins is at 48.3TS%, Mitchell is at 52.2TS%. Neither are good at all but Wiggins is quite clearly a lot worse, but I guess spouting nonsense as fact is typical for you.
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https://stats.nba.com/players/advan...E*15&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular Season

What I said is accurate. Bottom 4 is competing for last.

Your boy is bottom 4.
 
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Anghellic11 said:
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Competing with Donovan Mitchell for worst TS% among anyone averaging 15+ ppg, ironically, from you.
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Wiggins is at 48.3TS%, Mitchell is at 52.2TS%. Neither are good at all but Wiggins is quite clearly a lot worse, but I guess spouting nonsense as fact is typical for you.
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https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=TS_PCT&dir=1&CF=FGA_PG*GE*15&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular Season

What I said is accurate. Bottom 4 is competing for last.

Your boy is bottom 4.
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Donovan Mitchell "competing" with Andrew Wiggins for worst TS% in the league when there's such a large gap between them is no different than James Harden "competing" with Steph Curry for the best TS% in the league when there's such a large gap between them.

It's misleading at best.
 
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lol they were competing for a playoff spot all but up to a few days ago
 
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Look,

1. Wiggins has done this before

2. Parker literally has better WS48 and VORP numbers than him this season

3. I’m not confident in 1 or 2, just saying he’s wildly disappointing and that’s never changing
 
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