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What is F1 coming to.
Whats F1 coming to you ask ? ....
JULY 4, 2009 Hitler, Mosley and other stories >>>
Bernie Ecclestone usually has a deft touch with the media, sending out subtle messages while providing journalists with a good story, often delivering a very different message as he does so. So one must analyse everything he says very carefully. Is there a message in what he has been saying about dictatorship or did he just get carried away with some rather bizarre views about Adolf Hitler?
And why, in any case, is a motor racing commercial mogul giving his views on autocracy?
The answer, of course, is Max Mosley, the president of the FIA, who has been accused of late of being dictatorial.
Ecclestone's view seems to be generally supportive. He says that Mosley would have made an excellent Prime Minister.
"Max would do a super job, he’s a good leader," Ecclestone told The Times. "I don’t think his background would be a problem."
Perhaps not now, but 30 years ago when Mosley was keen to get into politics he was told that there was no way he would ever be elected a Member of Parliament, because of his father's Fascist activities in the 1930s. Today, at 69, Mosley's future as a politician is limited. Some would say it is really academic. Forgetting his recent sex scandal - accepted by the FIA and by an English judge - but shocking for many normal members of society - the issue is really one of age. The oldest first term Prime Minister in British history was Lord Palmerston in 1855 (when he was 71) but he had been in parliament for 48 years and had served for many years as Foreign Secretary. The oldest Prime Minister of all was William Gladstone at 82, but he had been in parliament for 60 years at that point and it was his fourth term of office.
All the rising stars of modern British politics are in their 40s.
So the idea that Mosley might move from the automobile world to politics is a nice idea, but hardly the purpose of Ecclestone's comments.
Bernie's discussions of Hitler, Saddam Hussein and others really does Mosley no favours at all. And the suggestion that Hitler might not have been the man responsible for the Nazi outrages shows that Ecclestone has not read Mien Kampf which clearly laid out what Hitler intended to do and explained how he had become anti-Jewish. This was published in 1925, long before he came to power.....: [“In a lot of ways, terrible to say this I suppose, but apart from the fact that Hitler got taken away and persuaded to do things that I have no idea whether he wanted to do or not, he was in the way that he could command a lot of people able to get things done. “In the end he got lost so he wasn’t a very good dictator because either he had all these things and knew what was going on and insisted, or he just went along with it... so either way he wasn’t a dictator”]
Inevitably Ecclestone's remarks about Hitler drew a strong reaction from Jewish groups and politicians on both sides of the house.
Stephen Pollard, the editor of the Jewish Chronicle, said that "Ecclestone is either an idiot or morally repulsive. Either he has no idea how stupid and offensive his views are or he does and deserves to be held in contempt by all decent people".
Strong words.
So what is it all about? Why is Ecclestone ruminating on the value of dictatorship. Is he trying to send a message of support to Mosley, or hint that it is time for him to give up and leave the FIA?
Having lauded Mosley as a brilliant politician he later mentioned in the same interview that "they have to lie, don't they? Politicians. The truth is not always good to hear". So is he hinting in a subtle fashion that Mosley cannot be trusted?
Who knows?
And, to some extent, for fans of the sport, it is also a question of who cares? None of this is good for the sport. It simply adds to the image that F1 is a tawdry business, run by very odd people. It does nothing for the good reputation of the sport. One might even argue that this is bringing the sport into disrepute, although it is hard to imagine that Mosley would level such a charge against Ecclestone.
A cynic might ask what would have happened if Ron Dennis or Luca di Montezemolo had ruminated on the same subject...
When all is said and done, if there is a message in these statements for Mosley then he will presumably understand it. The rest of us will be left wondering what on earth is going on - and what relevance this has to 20-odd cars lining up on a grid to go racing.
JULY 4, 2009 Hitler, Mosley and other stories >>>
Bernie Ecclestone usually has a deft touch with the media, sending out subtle messages while providing journalists with a good story, often delivering a very different message as he does so. So one must analyse everything he says very carefully. Is there a message in what he has been saying about dictatorship or did he just get carried away with some rather bizarre views about Adolf Hitler?
And why, in any case, is a motor racing commercial mogul giving his views on autocracy?
The answer, of course, is Max Mosley, the president of the FIA, who has been accused of late of being dictatorial.
Ecclestone's view seems to be generally supportive. He says that Mosley would have made an excellent Prime Minister.
"Max would do a super job, he’s a good leader," Ecclestone told The Times. "I don’t think his background would be a problem."
Perhaps not now, but 30 years ago when Mosley was keen to get into politics he was told that there was no way he would ever be elected a Member of Parliament, because of his father's Fascist activities in the 1930s. Today, at 69, Mosley's future as a politician is limited. Some would say it is really academic. Forgetting his recent sex scandal - accepted by the FIA and by an English judge - but shocking for many normal members of society - the issue is really one of age. The oldest first term Prime Minister in British history was Lord Palmerston in 1855 (when he was 71) but he had been in parliament for 48 years and had served for many years as Foreign Secretary. The oldest Prime Minister of all was William Gladstone at 82, but he had been in parliament for 60 years at that point and it was his fourth term of office.
All the rising stars of modern British politics are in their 40s.
So the idea that Mosley might move from the automobile world to politics is a nice idea, but hardly the purpose of Ecclestone's comments.
Bernie's discussions of Hitler, Saddam Hussein and others really does Mosley no favours at all. And the suggestion that Hitler might not have been the man responsible for the Nazi outrages shows that Ecclestone has not read Mien Kampf which clearly laid out what Hitler intended to do and explained how he had become anti-Jewish. This was published in 1925, long before he came to power.....: [“In a lot of ways, terrible to say this I suppose, but apart from the fact that Hitler got taken away and persuaded to do things that I have no idea whether he wanted to do or not, he was in the way that he could command a lot of people able to get things done. “In the end he got lost so he wasn’t a very good dictator because either he had all these things and knew what was going on and insisted, or he just went along with it... so either way he wasn’t a dictator”]
Inevitably Ecclestone's remarks about Hitler drew a strong reaction from Jewish groups and politicians on both sides of the house.
Stephen Pollard, the editor of the Jewish Chronicle, said that "Ecclestone is either an idiot or morally repulsive. Either he has no idea how stupid and offensive his views are or he does and deserves to be held in contempt by all decent people".
Strong words.
So what is it all about? Why is Ecclestone ruminating on the value of dictatorship. Is he trying to send a message of support to Mosley, or hint that it is time for him to give up and leave the FIA?
Having lauded Mosley as a brilliant politician he later mentioned in the same interview that "they have to lie, don't they? Politicians. The truth is not always good to hear". So is he hinting in a subtle fashion that Mosley cannot be trusted?
Who knows?
And, to some extent, for fans of the sport, it is also a question of who cares? None of this is good for the sport. It simply adds to the image that F1 is a tawdry business, run by very odd people. It does nothing for the good reputation of the sport. One might even argue that this is bringing the sport into disrepute, although it is hard to imagine that Mosley would level such a charge against Ecclestone.
A cynic might ask what would have happened if Ron Dennis or Luca di Montezemolo had ruminated on the same subject...
When all is said and done, if there is a message in these statements for Mosley then he will presumably understand it. The rest of us will be left wondering what on earth is going on - and what relevance this has to 20-odd cars lining up on a grid to go racing.
Oh i see, and what about the budget cap? And word of lifting?Delfino88 said:
requiem46
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this is a good example of someone not knowing how to measure his words. I guess what he was trying to say is that Hitler managed to turn post WWI Germany (the one with billions of debts, totally ruined, etc) into a nation that had half the world under its control and the other half cooperating despite their hatred (and by this I mean commies and western nations). As in, he might have been a dictator, but he managed to rebuild the nation in record time.
But you can't try saying that without separating clearly that his ideas of exterminating a bunch of people because they are jews/gays/etc and trying to look for the superior race are completely retarded, among many other bad things he did
But you can't try saying that without separating clearly that his ideas of exterminating a bunch of people because they are jews/gays/etc and trying to look for the superior race are completely retarded, among many other bad things he did
Hey boys and girls, if there are any but me.
Just saying hi, New here been following F1 since 1997 in the start. So hi
Just saying hi, New here been following F1 since 1997 in the start. So hi
Australia and it is refreshing to know a girl that has interest in F1 and don't worry I'll do my part to bring this thread to some type of life.
requiem46 said:Well, it does get some life during the race weekends... not that much though![[face_tongue]](https://cdn.statically.io/img/www.ignboards.com/styles/ign/ign/smilies/classic/stickouttongue.gif "Stick Out Tongue [face_tongue]")
Oh then next Friday should be something.
Hey, you should join the [link=http://boards.ign.com/formula_one_racing/b5763/182361092/p1/?14]F1 predictions game [/link]
I usually try to post in here... new one.
When I am not banned or otherwise occupied.
I usually just whine about how lame F1 has gotten the last year though.
I missed more than half the races this season.![[face_blush]](https://cdn.statically.io/img/www.ignboards.com/styles/ign/ign/smilies/classic/blush.gif "Blush [face_blush]")
When I am not banned or otherwise occupied.
I usually just whine about how lame F1 has gotten the last year though.
I missed more than half the races this season.
Well it could be worse. This season has thrown a lot of surprises
Yeah, it was almost as fun as the battle of the ages.(spying scandal, lol)
Anyway, with Schumi back I am completely refreshed and will make a new start.
Anyway, with Schumi back I am completely refreshed and will make a new start.
BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP IT UP
Guys, you have sorely disappointed me.
TALK MORE.
LOUD NOISES.
REQUIEM, YOU SMELL LIKE A SPANISH PEPPER.
TALK MORE.
LOUD NOISES.
REQUIEM, YOU SMELL LIKE A SPANISH PEPPER.
Love Timo Glock's helmet.
lol I love how the best fight in the whole race were two teammates owning eachother. 
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As I was sitting in front of the tv watching them go into the first Lesmo, I said out loud that there was no room for those two to be running side by side and sure enough, Trulli went off into the gravel.yussie said:lol I love how the best fight in the whole race were two teammates owning eachother.
requiem46
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GTporsche said:As I was sitting in front of the tv watching them go into the first Lesmo, I said out loud that there was no room for those two to be running side by side and sure enough, Trulli went off into the gravel.yussie said:lol I love how the best fight in the whole race were two teammates owning eachother.
Dude, I was hoping one of them would go through the gravel and lose some time before hey managed to crash into each other and fail miserably as a team. I was happy when it happened
<--- Is disturbed by Force India keeping up with Ferrari.
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Fisico was blinded by Italian Pride and Ferrari Red. Not knowing the car probably didn't help him much either. Hard to stop an Italian from driving THE Italian team's car at THE home GP.
The teammate taking each other out before has happened. Prost and Senna at Suzuka many years ago in the midst of the title fight.
The teammate taking each other out before has happened. Prost and Senna at Suzuka many years ago in the midst of the title fight.
^ going after a non point paying position just made thing even more lulzy.
I want Nakajima to score points in Singapore and I hope it happens.
This new layout is terrible, anyone actually like it?
Why the ---- use a new layout if nobody likes it !
Change it back please ..
Change it back please ..
Less than a month to go...........
requiem46
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I'm really not particulalrly thrilled about this season due to the new random changes. meaning mostly the points system and the no refueling. ZOMG, THERE'LL BE CARS PASSING CARS ON TRACK BECAUSE THEY MUST BE COMPETITIVE. yes, sure, I'll believe it when it happens XD
requiem46 said:
wrong wrong wrong F1 2010 will be the best youve possibly ever seen ![[face_whistling]](https://cdn.statically.io/img/www.ignboards.com/styles/ign/ign/smilies/classic/whistling.gif "Whistling [face_whistling]")
{not sure how old you are requiem} be prepared for compeling viewing alllllllll season.[blockquote]requiem46 posted:
^not sure if srs![[face_thinking]](https://cdn.statically.io/img/www.ignboards.com/styles/ign/ign/smilies/classic/thinking.gif "Thinking [face_thinking]")
but I've been watching it since 99
[/blockquote]
What season was your fave?
^not sure if srs
but I've been watching it since 99 [/blockquote]
What season was your fave?
well 3 more days...
Edpayasugo
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requiem46 said:
2000 was quality.
Dels inclined to almost agree with you .. there are a lot of complaints from drivers and the teams but its too early to pass judgement .. for the tight tracks it wont be so bad .. Melbourne will make up for Sakhir.requiem46 said:
The refueling ban has taken part of the spectacle though
Bernie says theres no need to panic .. wants to wait untill after China before deciding to make any changes ...
compulsory minimum of two pitstops ?Cheapest quick fix solution : mandatory mimimum two pitstops : mandatory use of three tyre compounds : .. will create enough mix to increase the spectacle and increase overtaking ... and next year refueling should be re-introduced.
Bonemeal2pointOh
Sleep enthusiast
I figured I'd post this in the community thread instead of creating an intro thread, which I know can be a pain in the arse.
Anyway, I live in the States, so I don't get quite the coverage as other countries. I was a devoted NASCAR fan (who lives in the northern US, as strange as it seems), but I've started picking up tidbits here and there and decided I would start watching this season. (Plus, getting some of the in's and out's from an episode of Top Gear didn't hurt.)
The Bahrain Grand Prix did NOT disappoint. Felipe Massa's triumphant return was simply epic. In NASCAR, Dale Earnhardt Jr. just took the piss after he was burned in a non-NASCAR-related race. He never was the same after that. Yet, Massa blew me away. A 2nd place podium finish is nothing to sneeze at as it is, and after what happened during last year's Hungarian Grand Prix, it seems that much more incredible.
So, there you are. I would like to know some of the other in's and out's. Who are the top drivers? I know to some extent, Michael Schumacher is a legend, as even before I ever watched a Formula 1 race, I knew who he was. Just as I knew the name Dale Earnhardt before I began watching NASCAR races in October 2002. But I've also heard the Schumacher, even though he's well-known, isn't all that great.
I did some Wiki'ing and read up a little bit about Fernando Alonzo and winning back-to-back championships in 2005 and 2006. I could look more up, but I know that Wiki can be...false. So, who should I keep an eye out for? Personality-wise, I get the impression that Felipe Massa and Lewis Hamilton are good-natured. In NASCAR, there's always some driver who pisses everyone off, and I would think this would also be the case in F1. For a while, people were quite annoyed by Juan Pablo Montoya for being "aggressive", but they've seemed to lay off now. Though, as much as I like NASCAR, I've wondered, because the sport is still mostly southern-based, that maybe they don't like Montoya because *gasp* he's from Columbia!!! Oh noez!!!
So, that's my story. I'll be pulling a couple all-nighters so I can watch qualifying and the Australian Grand Prix live.
And I have a total of four F1 games (three on PS2, one on PSP). I seem to like EA Sports' F1-2002. It feels the most simulator-like. There's a bit of irony in that EA, a North American-based company was able to turn out a great F1 game, yet the sport from the same continent ends up with mediocre titles from the company. Thunder 2003 was okay, but it was really the Infogrames titles I liked.
I also have "Grand Prix Challenge". A little disappointing. The game is so close to being an arcade-like game that there just aren't enough tuning options, yet at the same time, default set-up on Easy Handling along with Easy AI setting will not get you into P1. Also have Formula One 2001 from 989 Sports for PS2. It was actually the first F1 game I owned/played. As for PSP, just F1 2009. No, it's not great, but it is handheld F1 action. I recently bought a new PS2 (Model# 90001). I read on us.playstation.com that F1-2002 was not compatible with the 75000 series of PS2's. Well, thankfully, I found I can get F1-2002 to boot up if I put the disc in before turning the system on. (My previous PS2 was among the original slim-PS2's: Model# 70001.)
Cheers,
Bone
Anyway, I live in the States, so I don't get quite the coverage as other countries. I was a devoted NASCAR fan (who lives in the northern US, as strange as it seems), but I've started picking up tidbits here and there and decided I would start watching this season. (Plus, getting some of the in's and out's from an episode of Top Gear didn't hurt.)
The Bahrain Grand Prix did NOT disappoint. Felipe Massa's triumphant return was simply epic. In NASCAR, Dale Earnhardt Jr. just took the piss after he was burned in a non-NASCAR-related race. He never was the same after that. Yet, Massa blew me away. A 2nd place podium finish is nothing to sneeze at as it is, and after what happened during last year's Hungarian Grand Prix, it seems that much more incredible.
So, there you are. I would like to know some of the other in's and out's. Who are the top drivers? I know to some extent, Michael Schumacher is a legend, as even before I ever watched a Formula 1 race, I knew who he was. Just as I knew the name Dale Earnhardt before I began watching NASCAR races in October 2002. But I've also heard the Schumacher, even though he's well-known, isn't all that great.
I did some Wiki'ing and read up a little bit about Fernando Alonzo and winning back-to-back championships in 2005 and 2006. I could look more up, but I know that Wiki can be...false. So, who should I keep an eye out for? Personality-wise, I get the impression that Felipe Massa and Lewis Hamilton are good-natured. In NASCAR, there's always some driver who pisses everyone off, and I would think this would also be the case in F1. For a while, people were quite annoyed by Juan Pablo Montoya for being "aggressive", but they've seemed to lay off now. Though, as much as I like NASCAR, I've wondered, because the sport is still mostly southern-based, that maybe they don't like Montoya because *gasp* he's from Columbia!!! Oh noez!!!
So, that's my story. I'll be pulling a couple all-nighters so I can watch qualifying and the Australian Grand Prix live.
And I have a total of four F1 games (three on PS2, one on PSP). I seem to like EA Sports' F1-2002. It feels the most simulator-like. There's a bit of irony in that EA, a North American-based company was able to turn out a great F1 game, yet the sport from the same continent ends up with mediocre titles from the company. Thunder 2003 was okay, but it was really the Infogrames titles I liked.
I also have "Grand Prix Challenge". A little disappointing. The game is so close to being an arcade-like game that there just aren't enough tuning options, yet at the same time, default set-up on Easy Handling along with Easy AI setting will not get you into P1. Also have Formula One 2001 from 989 Sports for PS2. It was actually the first F1 game I owned/played. As for PSP, just F1 2009. No, it's not great, but it is handheld F1 action. I recently bought a new PS2 (Model# 90001). I read on us.playstation.com that F1-2002 was not compatible with the 75000 series of PS2's. Well, thankfully, I found I can get F1-2002 to boot up if I put the disc in before turning the system on. (My previous PS2 was among the original slim-PS2's: Model# 70001.)
Cheers,
Bone