Talk: ShiroxCloud

Welcome[]

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JustAToucan 04:18, 22 February 2020‎ (UTC)

AWB[]

Yeah, it's probably a UCP issue. I haven't tried using bots on UCP myself yet, but I have seen other people talking about issues. I thought it was mentioned that the issues had been resolved recently, but I might be mistaken.
◄► Tephra ◄► 15:35, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

One thing that might be wrong with the bot is if you didn't check the "Edit existing pages" box in the Bot Password settings. That will cause it to keep restarting.

There isn't any sort of flag or something that identifies the top-level category, it's just the one that all other categories should eventually lead back to if you keep clicking the categories' categories. I moved the main page over and deleted Browse, so it should be done.
◄► Tephra ◄► 03:09, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a Discord account? Unfortunately, talk page notifications don't work on the UCP yet and it makes it difficult to communicate here.
◄► Tephra ◄► 20:34, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

-Strive- category[]

Regarding GGST categories, wouldn't it make more sense to name them as "Guilty Gear -Strive-" rather than just "Guilty Gear STRIVE"? On the official ArcSystem Works website + Twitter account and PSN Store, the game has been referred to as "Guilty Gear -Strive-". On the arcsystemworks YouTube channel, Strive is only capitalized since the rest of the title is also capitalized so it's "GUILTY GEAR -STRIVE-" (this applies to the Steam page as well as @GUILTYGEAR_PR on Twitter). The only time GGST has been referred to as "Guilty Gear STRIVE"/"Guilty Gear -STRIVE-" would be this Wikia to my knowledge. Thus, I tried renaming the GGST categories to "Guilty Gear -Strive" to make it more consistent, but you seem to be against the idea since you rename all the GGST categories back to "Guilty Gear Strive". I asked MamaNana about it too in the GG Lore Discord too and she said that it'd probably works more as well for consistency sake.
Shreeder4092 18:54, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi! While I'm aware that we've spelt -STRIVE- like, well, like this instead of the "official" way... I'm just like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ since I prefer it this way. We don't spell Overture, -SIGN-, -REVELATOR-, or REV 2's (etc.?) names in the "official" way either. I think we could rename the game's article, but here's the thing: Somebody's got to change every single instance of the spelling -STRIVE- to -Strive- (along with the other games) throughout the entire wiki. It's not enough with just changing the article's name. For categories, it's the same principle, which means going over images as well, but on this I won't "budge"(???) since I'd rather category names do not have hyphens/parentheses on their names unless absolutely necessary. Frankly, I don't see the point at all, since the wiki has more pressing needs.

As for leaving message on user talks, I'll tell you not to forget to create a new topic and always sign with " ~~~~ ". You can also personalize your signature on your Preferences. -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 19:53, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello again! If you'd like, I could go over each of the category, images and article's spellings and rename them to be more accurate. I wouldn't mind going over the effort for it since I want to help with updating the Wikia. The category one is understandable though and thank you on clarifying the reason for it! Thank you as well for the advice on leaving messages on user talks! User:Shreeder4092 22:52, 1 March 2021‎ (UTC)

Can't say that I agree, but you can do that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I think story sections, lore and gameplay-related articles are far more important, but... :P

Sorry to nag you, but just type ONLY ~~~~ at the end of your message, and your username and timestamp will appear automatically when you post the edit. -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 23:51, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Ah thank you for the permission! Don't worry though I'm going to work on story/lore/gameplay-related articles as well. So far, I've created the Force Break page and updated the GGST command lists (while creating Nagoriyuki and Giovanna's moveset), updated the Millia Page info (it previously stated that she was born with her powers) and am now working on creating the Arcade Mode and Story Mode pages. I'll do my best with updating the Wikia! Also thank you again for the correction! Shreeder4092 (talk) 00:48, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Article Parent tab code[]

Hello, could you add Article parent tab section .css code to MediaWiki:Common.css to make this template to work? This will allow to place buttons on top of, for example, Character article for Gallery, Commands, Gameplay and etc subbages. Here example how it looks. The code will be needed to tweaked a bit to make buttons look to match wiki style.

Thank you. — Bloodhit (talk) 12:30, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm terribly sorry, but since tabs do not properly work on mobile, we don't use them on this wiki, and even then, the context-link templates are more than enough for our subpages. Please do not add the tabs into the articles. -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 13:06, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

They work just fine on mobile, they look just like normal links on mobile. Are not mistaken them for tabber/tabview? These are they one that don't work on mobile. — Bloodhit (talk) 13:18, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I know the difference between, but appearing as normal links on top doesn't cut it. -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 14:49, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Is it really that much better to have random "See also: /Gallery" and etc in the middle of article, than buttons on top, that looks like list of links on mobile? Personally, it's been really hard to navigate this wiki articles for me, because there no proper unified navigation for for subpages. It's the only reason I brought the topic of adding buttons in the first place. — Bloodhit (talk) 15:01, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Hard to navigate? First I hear of it. I guess, I'd need more data on that.

Nevertheless, as the other admin (JustAToucan) would tell you, this is pretty much a lore-centric wiki. I have been working quite a bit so that gameplay is included, but those subpages aren't important per se. I like working on command subpages, for example, but they're more like 'curiosities', really. At least, for the moment. -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 19:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

"Spoiler Policy"[]

Hello, i wanted to talk with you about the now-deleted "Deceased Characters" category, my problem is not the policy but the people asking for a character who died to join Strive which that policy is confusing over all to people who are new to the Guilty Gear lore.

So my question is "why to keep that policy here"? We should let people know who can keep returning (retired or deceased, over all the latter) so they can pick characters to ask for their addition to Strive or any Crossover they will have in the future wisely.

Thanks for reading and i hope we come to a conclusion to that situation. TheProjectXZoneFan1997 (talk) 16:55, 12 March 2021‎ (UTC)

I see. However, if they are new to the lore and they haven't bothered to read/investigate/watch/play/whatever, the policy isn't to blame for "confusing" them. It's their lack of knowledge about the series, which is rather easy to fix. Furthermore, in fighting games, being dead doesn't preclude their return: after all, Kliff and Justice both died in GG, but returned in GGX+ and GGXX. A character being dead means nothing if the devs want them in.

Also, please don't forget to sign your messages with ~~~~ at the end. -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 19:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

File name change request[]

Can you change the name of the file "File:E2N6MKAVcAAr775.jpg" to "GGST countdown I-No"? — Hassantaleb4 (talk) 14:19, 29 May 2021‎ (UTC)

Sure, no problem! :) However, I'm sure normal users can rename file, too, since the UCP upgrade? -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 16:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Re: Requests[]

Hey, thanks for the message. For your first question, the answer is yes, you can import custom external fonts pretty easily as long as they're on Google Fonts. Just follow the steps on Help:How to import Google Fonts to import it. Then, in a CSS file, you will want to apply the font to a specific class. If you want to change headers then that would be:

.WikiaArticle h2,
.WikiaArticle h3,
.WikiaArticle h4,
.WikiaArticle h5,
.WikiaArticle h6 {
	font-family: <the font you just imported>
}

The selectors are actually different on the new FandomDesktop skin though, so you will want to make sure you account for that. I believe you would just replace .WikiaArticle with .page-content, per Help:FandomDesktop preparation guide.

As for your second question, the answer is probably yes, but I'll just double-check first.

P.S. you can also message me on Discord if that's easier for you (Atvelonis#9495). —Atvelonis (talk) 01:53, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Megumi[]

Your article on Megumi is inconsistent. Megumi and I-No are not one in the same. Megumi is a younger alternate timeline version of I-No. I-No is not the Megumi from the same timeline as Axl. Axl is an alternate timeline version of Will. —Gman18 [unsigned]

Look, I can't say I'm an expert on this. I've yet to...uh, solidify... my read on the issue. (Might need a third or fourth rewatch for that, unless GG World explicitly says otherwise, but I'd need a screenshot of that, I guess.) And even so, it's hard to put it on words.

But Axl and I-No are not alternate versions of Will and Megumi. They are the same individuals: I-No said they took on "new names" at one point, so they likely were born as Axl & 'Ino' and adopted the names Will & Megumi because, well, love. In the epilogue, Megumi does know the Axl name, so uh... Anyway, I-No doesn't remember his face, just that he had golden locks; it's not unreasonable to conclude that she couldn't remember Will's original name, i.e. Axl.

Megumi and Axl hail from an alternate timeline, which is called a "broken future"/"possibility" by Jack-O', or a "plausible past" when Axl explains things to Sol. (When did the 'split' happen, if there ever was one? No idea; maybe in 1998, but since both Axl and I-No have "no past, no future", perhaps even before their time. It might be related to The Original's discovery of the Backyard... or to the Backyard's "first crisis". Anyway, it's probably a timeline where the Dawn of Revival and everything thereafter never happened, i.e. no Guilty Gear series.) Axl only 'survived' the timeline divergence because of the ID overlap, whereas Megumi got to live her life after that, waiting for Axl, and became a part of the new timeline as a "vagabond" because the Backyard randomly picked her to be a Magical Foci, making her a "causal anomaly" (and Axl, by extension). During the process and the trauma, her memories became "fuzzy". But those events happened to I-No, just as they happened to Axl. And so, the tragedy: A cynical, self-centered Megumi realizes too late that Will was there all along.

I think Arcade Mode implies that I-No says that her "past self" (who has heard the I-No name before) is in the present because of a "paradox", and that's how she swaps places. But uh, yeah, I need a full script asap.

Also, always sign your message by typing ~~~~ at the end of your message (your username and timestamp will appear automatically when you post the edit). -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 00:15, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Message[]

With the main characters and the stories of the two franchises over, when do you think we'll receive a Guilty Gear and BlazBlue crossover? HassanTNT (talk) 21:46, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Question[]

When do you think that Guilty Gear Strive would come to Nintendo Switch? -- HassanTNT (unsigned)

Can the Switch handle Strive? ...Anyway, I don't think they re-release a "current" game for platforms other than the PlayStation and PC, since they haven't done for any of the Xrd games, but I might wrong given its newfound popularity. Maaaaybe when Season 1 is done next year(?), but I seriously doubt it.

Please sign always your messages in talk pages. 😅 -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 22:35, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Zato's Page[]

thank you for catching those edits. I know a few people who dislike Zato enough to say things like that, so I feel it's best to keep an eye on his page for any further weird inserts. JustAToucan (talk) 23:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, it struck me as a troll edit. (Also, that's not how the policy is supposed to work, lel.) -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 11:00, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Official art source[]

Where did you source highres shadow-free GGST character key art from (e.g. File:Jack-O Guilty Gear Strive.png)? Thanks in advance.

- Cronos Dage • talk • Cronos Dage 18:06, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Creating Gear Maker Page[]

Should Gear Maker-related info move to Gear Maker page, while leaving That Man as a disambiguation page?

& what to do w/ the Original's nationality, due to Chaos spoiler on Strive (NOTE: This is previous revision prior to undid & felt needing spoiler code to hide spoilers)? https://guilty-gear.fandom.com/wiki/The_Original?diff=46280&oldid=46183

-- November 30, 7:00+, 4:40 PM, ScottKazama (talk)

Hi! :) I'm leaving the page as is, because historically Asuka has been "That Man" for, like, 20 years (the 'Gear Maker' moniker is relatively recent, and even then, his name tag in Story Mode in Xrd is 'That Man' anyway) and because disambiguation pages are created only when there are three or more articles with a similar topic name. (I didn't know this myself until relatively recently, lel, so that's why we had 'bad' disambiguation pages.) Instead, the "youmay" box is there to disambiguate things.

I think nationality or birthdays don't count as spoilers because they're not plot relevant. I think they should be included in the infobox.-- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 17:09, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Page Protections Follow Up[]

Hi ShiroxCloud,

This is Lucas, one of Fandom's Community Managers reaching out.

Since you've flipped commenting back on and further raised protections on Bridget's character page, I'm guessing you saw that I locked the page to Admin only edits, lol.

Please let me know if you have any questions about best practices in this kind of situation, would be happy to help however I can!

Thanks and have a good one.

Lder1995 (talk) 16:01, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

About Bridget[]

There's inaccuracies on Bridget page. The info on the page keeps trying to skew him to being a girl because of the recent story debacle, but nobody is mentioning that this is a detail from the bad ending and is thus non-canon. Because the page is locked, I cannot add that the good "Flawless" ending keeps him an otokonoko, or Tomgirl if you will. Can you please add it back in and change all the details back to how they were? The media coverage has been skewing things in the wrong direction, obscuring vital details.

--unsigned -- Samalik (talk) 17:12, 10 August 2022‎ (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I can't promise anything, but I'll be overhauling the page soon. I will look into the issue then.

Also, don't forget to sign by typing ~~~~ when leaving a message on any Talk page. -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 18:11, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi there, I can confirm from research that Bridget only says they are a girl during the bad ending, and does not mention anything to do with this during the flawless ending. This is coming from a trans MtF person myself and I believe the wiki should mention both that Bridget is male in the Flawless ending and female in the bad end as this would clear up confusion and reduce heated tensions in the community and people can then enjoy strive together again. For the rest of the wiki a solution I would like to suggest is to just use "they/them" pronouns for Bridget's story as it doesn't fall to ether side of the debate and keeps things neutral. Forced representation is something that only creates toxicity especially when it is false for some routes. Sorry for the message, I just wanted to add some incite from a trans person on this subject. I hope you all have a nice day and enjoy strive :) ps im new to wiki commenting so sorry if mess anything up. Girlyillya166 (talk) 22:28, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Bridget is officially confirmed to be trans (https://www.guiltygear.com/ggst/en/news/post-1657/). They also mocked the "bad ending" argument, stating that 'although the difficulty and story dialogue of Arcade Mode change depending on your match results, this doesn't change the main plot, nor are there alternative endings such as "good" or "bad"' --Underfell Flowey (talk) 18:40, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Bridget's English voice actor[]

Hey can you do me a favor and add Bridget's English VA to her page. Her English VA's name is Kelly Ohanian. Thanks.

Wiki Representative introduction[]

Hello ShiroxCloud, I'm TimeShade. I've recently been assigned to this community as the Wiki Representative. Please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions.

x TimeShade (talk) 16:06, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

regarding possible future unlocking of talk pages[]

Talk:Bridget was locked August 10th and I'm not able to contact Toucan since their user page is also locked. You're the only active sysop here so seem like the only person to ask.

Is there some timeline at which a talk page being opened for Bridget could be considered in the future?

It looks like the previous page was deleted (ie history wiped) because people were having arguments about gender and stuff, but perhaps if gender were a banned topic and the talk page was only allowed for use regarding non-gender issues (ie what do we know about Bridget's brother or parents) it could serve a purpose? Tycio (talk) 18:17, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Need assistance on Bedman? wiki gallery section[]

Hello! I hope you are having a good day!

I recently got into guilty gear and been keeping up with wiki for a couple weeks now? I'm quite new to how the fandom wiki works so there are a couple of mistakes I've made. In Bedman? wiki I had recently added their chibi art but I forgot to change the original file name as well as categorize it (the directions for categorizing confused me).

I also found official concept art of Bedman? but I wanted to message you first before I make more of a mess

Looking forward to your responses

Regarding Asuka/That Man[]

With the recent release of the Strive DLC, shouldn't we rename/move That Man to Asuka R. Kruetz?

As while historically speaking, That Man has been his title/name for the past 20 years since his first appearance, he was introduced into Strive as Asuka, and as such, he's now being referred to by said name more so than his title.

-- NekoSel0 13:52, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

It's spelled "Kreutz"[]

Just wanted to clear the slight error in how NekoSel0 types the name. Asuka R. Kreutz.

Alternatively, the character page itself can also be redirected from Asuka R#, regarding one of his magical clones, if you could, thank you.WizzyULTIMATEbreed (talk) 16:54, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your correction, now I'm gonna go tear my hair out and correct my edits. DX - NekoSel0 21:31, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Admin+[]

Hey there! I’m reaching out to introduce the Admin+ program (if you haven’t heard about it already!) & let you know I’m here if you have any questions about it. Take a look at the details here & feel free to send over any questions you have. pikushi ✧.* 14:01, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

MingWeiFan68[]

Hi, i want to solve a problem related to that user.

You see, i am trying to put a trivia about a similar appearance to the RWBY character Tyrian Callows in the Ming Wei article and that user just WON'T let me put that in, he's just acting like a "cop" towards the article of his favourite character, causing an edit warring to ensue because of that.

If you can help me stopping him from being so protective about that article, i'd appreciate it.

Best regards. TheProjectXZoneFan1997 (talk) 16:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. However, while it's true that I sense some overprotectiveness, I agree with said user in that I really don't see much of a resemblance to Tyrian Callows. Even if Ishiwatari knows about RWBY, Ming Wei looks like generic Asian character #232457. I think a lot more is needed than some general traits to imply an inspiration. -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 01:38, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Understandable, thanks once again! Have a nice day. TheProjectXZoneFan1997 (talk) 19:55, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

About reversion of higher quality images[]

The HQ versions of Bedman's 'face' concept art that I uploaded were all reverted with no reason stated why, which it says in the wiki policies should be done if you are going to. I checked through them all and cannot find a reason that they would've been reverted as nothing about them violates any rules. They are higher quality versions of the same scan, that came from the same place of origin, and uploading a new file does not overwrite any of it's data like copyright. The file is a bit bigger but does not go over the wiki's own limit of 10MB. Please can you provide a reason this was done, because I can't seem to find out why on my own? SQUAREHHAMMER (talk) 19:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I apologize for not stating the reason why. While they are nice images, face concept artwork for all characters were of a reasonable quality so the change wasn't strictly necessary, but more importantly, all of them have: 1) no frame, and 2) the same-ish height and width. (So, I guess, the reason would be "Should be consistent with all the rest".) If you want to reupload a frameless version, you may. The CEDEC photos should be cut as well: only the artwork should be featured, and not the frames or people.

On that note, I must remind you that the "Official scan of one of his expressions" image counts as a duplicate so it will be deleted, that storyboards aren't to be uploaded unless they are featured in-game like the ones from Strive (otherwise, we'd be uploading the entirety of Drafting Artworks and the wiki is not an image repository) so it'll probably be deleted, and that you should always sign your messages on talk pages by writing ~~~~ at the very end.

You are right that the policy page needs an update for specific cases that have come up over time, but I have so much on my plate, working on all articles (for cleanup and expansion) and files and else, that I keep postponing it. Once again, I apologize for any inconveniences. -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 19:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

With all due respect, these are not valid reasons to revert a good faith edit. The borderless versions are edited from the original scans, and they do not serve any purpose beyond simply looking different- in some cases (such as Bedman's images), there are white blotches covering up where the borders were, which can sometimes FURTHER obscure the text on them. I would argue that higher quality images should be prioritized in most situations, especially in the case of images with text on them, as that quality difference can mean a lot more in those contexts. If you have not updated the wiki's policy as well, you should act ACCORDING to the policy currently set, and not according to rules that DO NOT currently exist. That is an abuse of your power as an administrator to create rules, never state them anywhere, and then act on them.

SQUAREHHAMMER (talk) 19:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I'd argue that the higher quality wasn't necessary as what there was before was fine, that uniformity is better, and that the white "blotches" obscured nothing but the frames, which are distracting, but here we are. Seeing as you reverted them without waiting for an answer, and I'm not interested in a pointless "dispute", I'm leaving them as is. You're right that I can't enforce unwritten policies, and hopefully I'll do better next time. And update things that need to be updated. -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 22:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I reverted them after I had added the section here, as the policy states for me to do. Since you had not given a reason for the revert initially, and the images did not violate any existing wiki policy- and even now, they still do not violate any existing wiki policy- I was well within my right to open a discussion and then revert it back. Whether or not the borders are distracting is a subjective matter as well- I personally find the white blotches to be an eyesore, as someone who owns the actual book these scans are from, but I'm FAR more concerned on edits of the original content + them potentially obscuring text than my personal taste. I'm not some demon who wants to start fights, just an archivist that believes easier access to higher quality images on a popular wiki is better than lower quality variants. If you do not follow the written wiki policy, it is unreasonable for you to expect anyone else to do so, so yes, PLEASE do better in the future. None of what I'm saying comes from a place of hostility, so please don't respond to me as though it is! Oh, and late edit but I just realized, about the storyboards: this is also not a policy that exists. Nowhere does it state that storyboards do not belong on the wiki, so you cannot enforce this either. If you want my opinion on it, I think it's ridiculous to say "we can't let one character have storyboards because then we'd need to upload all of them", because that is not true. Either way, a wiki is a collaborative community project: if people want to see those storyboards up there, they will take the time to add them. There's no reason to be upset over free content being provided to you, and to the community as a whole. Please have a bit more respect towards the community, as the last remaining admin. SQUAREHHAMMER (talk) 23:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Except that, as far I could see, the edits did not obscure anything, so what you're saying is subjective as well. Anyway, I didn't delete them yet, because as you've mentioned multiple times, I haven't changed the wiki's policies as I should have done earlier, so I'm staying true to my word there.

As for what types of images can or cannot be uploaded, it comes to this: in my opinion, and I think this is mentioned in the policy, images must have a practical use in a mainspace article. The wiki is not an image repository, but an encyclopedia. If we fans had our way, we'd probably upload the entirety of the Visual Book or the Drafting Artworks or the Material Collection. I'd rather people be judicious about that images they select from these books, because the wiki isn't supposed to take away from official releases, and that these images be used to illustrate articles first and foremost. (For example, it may not seem like this right now, but the Gallery Mode pages are supposed to be gameplay articles in the form of tables. They... aren't just yet.😣) This isn't the only reason to upload images, but the most important one. If we apply the rule of uploading everything Bedman-related from the Visual Book, people may interpret that they can upload all Visual Book images for other characters, and it shouldn't be the case. Believe me, we've had the problem before, and there are some remnants of it (to be changed) still elsewhere.

Anyway, as I mentioned, I hope to do better. And as for hostility, I could say the same to you: you claim that I'm upset for people helping out (I'm most definitely not) and that I disrespect (or perhaps, more accurately that I have little or no respect for) the entire community. I think that's far from the truth. Have a good day... or night, I guess? -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 02:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Be honest with yourself. If people only uploaded images based on what was actually used in articles, then the vast majority of gallery pages would have no reason to exist, because they'd just be too bare. Most character concept art is not seen anywhere, things like collab art + line stickers are also never used, tons of screenshots from the games are never seen either, etc- do you plan on deleting EVERY single gallery image uploaded on EVERY character's page that is never seen anywhere else? Like, each and every one of them? Because otherwise, having that kind of policy OR idea is completely worthless when you do not treat EVERYTHING the same under it. You either remove everything that is strictly unnecessary, or do not remove anything at all. You don't PICK AND CHOOSE which ones go and which ones stay based on your personal taste. I've never seen a wiki in my LIFE actively want LESS content on itself, nor one that considers going ahead with such a decision without ever asking for the community's input. You do realize that wiping out a ton of images is like, kind of a big deal, yeah? Or that policy changes in GENERAL are kind of a big deal, that you'd ideally WANT the community's input on before going ahead with them? When I tell you to show more respect to the community, THIS is what I mean: the wiki is a collaborative project. People upload stuff on here because they want to help out. You picking and choosing what to get rid of, instead of being arguably more fair by getting rid of it all due to being "unnecessary", is an inherent act of disrespect towards the people helping out. You are the only admin left, but that doesn't mean you get to run around doing what you like with no care for what other people will think of it. Those other people being the people contributing the wiki, the community members that browse it, etc. Sure, having less stuff around here might make your job a bit easier- but is that what anyone else would actually want, or have you never taken the time to ask? Unless you plan to lock down every single page and do everything on your own: the wiki is a public community project. You can't run around doing what you want to without a single shred of care for if the community will like it or not. SQUAREHHAMMER (talk) 09:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm a massive idiot, it's true, but I'm also lenient. If I went around deleting things that are "unnecessary" or that don't follow the rules, then a lot more would've gone a while ago. Instead, I often simply rename (when needed), categorize and license the images (when other wikis would enforce their deletion rules outright), even the ones I disagree with, because as you've mentioned, this is a collaborative process. Unless it's a duplicate, I don't delete things 97% of the time: in fact, if I can provide a higher quality version, I will. Which is why I said that it's not the only reason, but the most important one. However, I strongly disagree with the idea of uploading entire artwork collections, and I'd argue that community doesn't care for the idea either, because, despite the books being available online for years now, no one has attempted it (and it's not because of a rule I've imposed on the wiki; however, it's something I should make explicit to avoid further misunderstandings down the line).

You're right, I could make things easier for myself and lock down the wiki for my own personal use, except I don't, because I want people to contribute. -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 14:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Never called you an idiot, nor did I say that people should be uploading entire artwork collections. The idea that the community does not care either simply because people are not actively trying to upload everything is also a stretch- plenty of people highly appreciate what the wiki currently has to offer in terms of its galleries, just because not everyone has the time to, or even the desire to, actively contribute does not mean that it means nothing to anyone. This wiki is what comes up first in search results, for heavens sake. It's easily accessible, good quality content- why would people NOT care about it? It's time consuming to find some of this stuff, especially in the case of storyboards- for Bedman's, those scans came from myself, and they were actually missing from the internet for years because the scanned version of that book didn't have the storyboard pages in it. Not all of this "unnecessary" content is stuff you can find in a simple google search. I also don't think locking down the wiki would make your life easier at all, that's not what I said- in fact, I think it'd make your job a lot harder. Wikis thrive on community, both from people who want to contribute AND just to browse. If someone takes the time out of their day to go find that content in a good quality, then upload it for the community, that shows that there is people who care about it. Both people who care enough to go find it in the first place, and people who care to see it. Sometimes, people want to see that content, but just don't know where to find it. What I'm trying to say is not "give yourself a ton of work to create a 100% collection", but rather, "let other people contribute the things they want to see freely". If someone cares enough to put up a singular image on a gallery, they should have the option to do so. No one is asking for a 100% collection of ANYTHING, if people want those, they will seek out archivists and megafans instead of a fandom wiki. But, a fandom wiki is not wikipedia: it is a Fandom wiki. People come here to quickly find images, weird trivia, to refresh on lore, etc. Unless ArcSystemWorks themselves requests a take down of content that has not been released officially for download (which, by the way, is a LOT! That even can include details about the official books and mangas!), there is no harm in allowing some "useless" images that a fan decided to contribute on a day they had the time to. SQUAREHHAMMER (talk) 14:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Oops, didn't mean to imply you called me that. Just a moment of self-deprecation. I guess I'm just not good at communication.

Maybe not everyone has the time, but the book has been out for eight years now (and others even more than that) and it's not Japan-exclusive. There has been plenty of time for people to show their inclination. And the point keeps being (I think?): Not everything from the books related to a given character needs to be uploaded. I myself love concept artwork, but I haven't uploaded more than a few because yada, yada, you know the drill. I guess I'm boring you to death by now, so don't mind me.

Technically, I have to review every change made so collaboration is more work for me, especially when people don't follow the guidelines, then I must correct the "mistakes" and end up as the bad guy. (And then I also fuck up, as you well know.) I try to be as laissez-faire as I can, but that can't always be the case.

Anyway, my head hurts, my ego is bruised, and I need to do stuff (...including uploading some 200(?) card images and then who-knows-how-many-more for Weiß Schwarz... *sigh*). -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 20:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

That book actually,,, kind of is. For some reason, the European version of the book (which was scanned) is actually missing a whole 40+ pages. Two pages for every character! One of those missing pages is transcripts of their battle lines in Japanese (which can be useful sometimes, like for Johnny's unique Respects) but the other page? Concept artwork! The reason they're gone is probably just the translation team for the book didn't wanna go through all the text on them. But the point stands: all that concept art has been relatively Lost to the community for years, because no one even realized the pages were missing in the first place. As far as we were concerned, we had seen everything that book had to offer. That's probably the biggest case of "it's not that no one cares, it's just that no one knew it existed". Some of this concept art would be especially helpful to artists, and the pages aren't just storyboards either. They also have little quotes about development on them. And well, yeah, I'm still not saying EVERYTHING needs to be uploaded! I'm saying that if someone wants to upload something, ideally, they should have the option to do just that.

And in regards to collaboration making your job harder: I'm sorry to say you kind of signed up for this when choosing to admin a wiki. A self-contained archive is one thing, but a fandom wiki is another. All you can really do is get more admins. For a community (and franchise) as big as GG, managing a wiki on your own is not a fate I'd wish on anyone. Me saying you need a team isn't some insult either, it's pretty clear the workload is weighing on you a LOT, and an actual team of admins would be more beneficial to have than not. SQUAREHHAMMER (talk) 21:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Have you considered making a .pdf / uncompressed .jpg or .png zip file out of the book, or at least the missing pages, and uploaded it to archive.org? I know a lot of people would appreciate that kind of contribution, including myself, more than they would appreciate having to browse the wiki (given FANDOM's many, many problems as a site).

It wasn't a complaint, just an observation. If I actually found collaborative aspect awful, I wouldn't have volunteered to become an admin in the first place; I knew what I was getting into three-and-a-half years ago. As for finding co-admins, I've thought about it when my "senpai" left, but no one has volunteered in three years (only me)/months, nor there is any active editor showing the commitment and skills necessary. Admin duties aren't really weighing me down, but thanks for the concern. ^.^ -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 23:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

To be honest, didn't even know it was something you Could volunteer for whilst there's still an active one around. I think still bringing on some extra admins, if for no other reason than to get second inputs on decisions and to almost act as moderators (i.e checking over new uploads, edits, etc), could be beneficial, purely due to the scale of everything. There's a lot of people, and a lot of stuff to go through, so it is always going to be a lot for just One person to manage! Admins don't always need to be super active editors, they can just stick around for moderation and cleanup. Most wikis I've seen tend to have some pretty inactive admins, really...

And I have considered (and been told to) put the scans up on archive.org quite a bit, the issue is that not only did I ONLY scan the missing pages and not the entire Japanese version of the book, so I don't know if I even can upload it under those conditions, but I am also almost completely clueless on how to use the site as is ORZ. I think putting up cropped concept art from the missing pages is fine though. Not all of its storyboards, theres some interesting references for character outfits and the like in with them, which I'm sure people would appreciate having an easy access point to in the form of "the first Google result after googling the character", as opposed to needing to dig through the internet archive without even knowing which book its from just for something that is in the corner of the page... SQUAREHHAMMER (talk) 23:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, there can be more than one admin, and there are two other positions that people can apply for: Content Moderator (for patrolling edits/uploads/etc.), and Thread Moderator (for patrolling discussions and maybe article comments?).

I'm sure that as long as it is titled properly, like "Guilty Gear Xrd Visual Book JP Pages" or something, with a decent description, there wouldn't be a problem. I've seen partial version of artbooks (for translations) in the fandom, and even bare covers and literally no interiors for other things. Doesn't seem like a particularly demanding site in terms of what content can be uploaded. As for how the site works, well it can't be harder than editing a wiki... Maybe???

Yes, that is true. Character outfit stuff sure is a nice addition given how some of it can't be easily seen unless one extracts textures or whatever from the games, as are battle quotes, which require a lot of soundtesting but several books have them listed in Japanese at least. Or bigger versions of the concept artwork for minor characters like the Sheriff's. Ah, the possibilities... -- ShiroxCloud ♔ _(talk) 03:48, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

It may be worth trying to assign some content moderators then. It'd definitely take a load off when it comes to the work needed, especially since a lot of your issues seem to come down to having too much to do and not enough time to do all of it, hence the issues with things like the never updating policy. Because although that would probably take first priority for most wikis, when you have to check through a ton of updates all the time, as well as making your own updates all the time, it can get lost pretty quickly.

Not entirely sure if the battle quotes pages would have a place on the wiki anywhere, but they ARE useful for translating. Especially when Xrd has some of the loudest, most unintelligible echoes known to man. That said, I'm not even sure if the wiki hosts translations of that sort of thing, although it would probably be a good idea in the case of stuff like unique respects, or even oddities like Slayer's untranslated Rev win line. I'll see what I can do about getting the scans up onto the archive, but in the meantime, I'll probably crop out the important concept art on them and get them over into character gallery pages (which I was planning to do a while back, and then got hit by health issues, and forgot about it...) SQUAREHHAMMER (talk) 17:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)