Was arguing with some friends about this. They thought I was crazy for taking Redick, and I maintained I'd take him easily.
What ya'll think?
What ya'll think?
JJ Redick or Demar Derozan - who would you rather have on your team?
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HandyMan191
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Edit: Either way, it immensely depends who else is on my squad. If I've got Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, and DeAndre Jordan, Redick easily.
If I'm the Sixers, DeMar DeRozan.
Edit: Either way, it immensely depends who else is on my squad. If I've got Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, and DeAndre Jordan, Redick easily.
If I'm the Sixers, DeMar DeRozan.
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Of course, and I should have specified. In a vacuum, if you were trying to build a championship team from scratch, who would you rather have?
I chose poor wording with the title. Which is is the better player?
I chose poor wording with the title. Which is is the better player?
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Demar
The Clippers are better with Derozan and the Raptors are worse with Reddick. That should answer your question.
El_Presidente-
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you guys underrate derozan too much.. hes not the perfect player, but i dont see redick doin shit like this
If I'm building a team from scratch, DeRozan.
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Generally, I'd rather have JJ Redick.
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how long I got them? like build a team around them with their current age/status or...?
also inb4theinfluenza
also inb4theinfluenza
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achumumu
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Demar has more skills right now and is younger. But JJ is a superb 3 point shooter who can spot up, shoot off the dribble, come off screens, pretty much whatever you want from a three point shooter. Demar is still a more complete player however so take that however you will. Demar's definitely had to bear a larger burden for his team since he's come into the league.
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Yay Yay
dab7291993
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DeMar is the better player. Redick is a specialist.
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career (regular season) wise Ill take redick. His offensive abilities overshadow the slight differences defensively between the two.
also trying to figure how demar has a better fg%![[face_confused]](https://cdn.statically.io/img/www.ignboards.com/styles/ign/ign/smilies/classic/confused.gif "Confused [face_confused]")
also trying to figure how demar has a better fg%
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because he's better than jj redick lol
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I'm not sure you can win in the playoffs with Derozan as your go to player offensively and due to his game and the way he plays he is not really effective without the basketball in his hands and he is not remotely as effective defensively as a player with his size, strength, length and athletic gifts should be.
With Redick he may not be the ideal starting SG but he does provide elite floor spacing and he does so in volume that few players can match. He combines that floor spacing with being nearly turnover free and he requires a ton of defensive attention because he isn't just spotting up but is also in near constant motion without the basketball forcing his both his defender and the team defense to keep an eye on his movements at all times. He is also far more likely to accept a demotion to being a rotation player.
With all that being said, if Derozan was ever to play defense at the level his physical gifts should allow him to play it at this would be an easy choice in his favor. Not only has he not done so but he is actually worse defensively than Redick is in my opinion. Derozan with his physical gifts should be not just a solid defender but a good one and considering his elite size and athletic ability for a SG he should also be a much better rebounder than he is.
Derozan may be what he is offensively as a guy that can get you 20-24 points a game on 16-19 shots and that is what it is. My issue with him is that he should also easily be good for 5-7 rebounds in his 35-38 minutes instead he struggles to average 3.5-4.5 rebounds per game and for him to have the basketball that often and put up 16-19 shots a game he needs to be giving his team 5-6 assists a night or he needs to score much more efficiently.
With Redick he may not be the ideal starting SG but he does provide elite floor spacing and he does so in volume that few players can match. He combines that floor spacing with being nearly turnover free and he requires a ton of defensive attention because he isn't just spotting up but is also in near constant motion without the basketball forcing his both his defender and the team defense to keep an eye on his movements at all times. He is also far more likely to accept a demotion to being a rotation player.
With all that being said, if Derozan was ever to play defense at the level his physical gifts should allow him to play it at this would be an easy choice in his favor. Not only has he not done so but he is actually worse defensively than Redick is in my opinion. Derozan with his physical gifts should be not just a solid defender but a good one and considering his elite size and athletic ability for a SG he should also be a much better rebounder than he is.
Derozan may be what he is offensively as a guy that can get you 20-24 points a game on 16-19 shots and that is what it is. My issue with him is that he should also easily be good for 5-7 rebounds in his 35-38 minutes instead he struggles to average 3.5-4.5 rebounds per game and for him to have the basketball that often and put up 16-19 shots a game he needs to be giving his team 5-6 assists a night or he needs to score much more efficiently.
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Why do u do this
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You compared them on two different levels..
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El_Presidente-
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you guys would prob take marco belinelli over derozan
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yes because he's so like these two!
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how are derozan and redick similar anyways? this is a stupid thread
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redick fo sho
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redick is just a significantly better version of belinelli.
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If I'm building for a championship then I take JJ. DeMar is the better individual player and would easily be better if they were to be the teams number one option (or even number two). However, I don't think a team with DeRozan is capable of winning a championship with him being the #1 or #2 option and the more you take the ball out of his hands the less impact he has.
It's hard to compare players like this because their skill sets are so different. Any team can make use of Redick's ability to stretch the floor and be a 3 point specialist. Not every team would be better off with adding DeRozan.
It's hard to compare players like this because their skill sets are so different. Any team can make use of Redick's ability to stretch the floor and be a 3 point specialist. Not every team would be better off with adding DeRozan.
JJ is a streaky shooter. Too streaky for my liking. I don't think said players games are all that comparable either to be honest. DeRozan can do a lot of things with the ball to create his shots. Redick can run off screens and that's about it.
I would build my franchise with DeRozan all day, erry day.
I would build my franchise with DeRozan all day, erry day.
Redick is a mediocre-at-best ball handler. The question is "who would you take if you were building a team from scratch," so I'm assuming that means I don't have a capable creator/ball handler, in which case it's stupid to take Redick. Redick is a fantastic complementary piece, but if we're asking who the 76ers would rather have right now, it would be DeRozan.
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I always compare players on one main critical element, which player is more conductive to helping a team win the most basketball games and having the most success.
I also vastly disagree with the idea that Derozan is better suited to being a #1 option offensively for a team than Redick. Redick would do it in a very different manner as they would still run the same plays for him that they run now they'd just call his number more often as the Pacers did when Reggie Miller was their franchise cornerstone for the better part of a decade.
He is better at scoring efficiently than Derozan is. I also outlined that Derozan could fundamentally change the argument by creating the separation that should already exist between them by being the defender and rebounder that his talents should clearly allow him to be.
As it stands right now, Redick is clearly helping his team more than Derozan has been helping his.
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But you judge DeMar on the basis of unreached potential and give a ton of credit to Redick for being a pretty one dimensional specialist.
DeMar IS the better defender, and a much more reliable shot creator with the ball in his hands. 89% of JJ Redick's 2 pt baskets are assisted and 96% of his 3 point attempts are assisted. Oddly enough, 96% of DeMar Derozan's 3s are assisted, but only 42% of his 2 point shots are assisted. He has a much bigger burden on him than Redick.
DeRozan has averaged 6 and 6.6 free throws made per game the last two seasons. Redick gets to the line about 3 times a game.
It's like you're judging them based on what they do for their current teams. DeMar was the best player on a 50 win team.
DeMar IS the better defender, and a much more reliable shot creator with the ball in his hands. 89% of JJ Redick's 2 pt baskets are assisted and 96% of his 3 point attempts are assisted. Oddly enough, 96% of DeMar Derozan's 3s are assisted, but only 42% of his 2 point shots are assisted. He has a much bigger burden on him than Redick.
DeRozan has averaged 6 and 6.6 free throws made per game the last two seasons. Redick gets to the line about 3 times a game.
It's like you're judging them based on what they do for their current teams. DeMar was the best player on a 50 win team.
That's false. Derozan is far less efficient and would also take away possessions from Paul /Blake. JJ is better fit for Clips
JJ on the Rockets with Harden.
Derozan on the Rockets without Harden.
Derozan on the Rockets without Harden.
achumumu
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You ain't winning if Redick is your number 1 or 2 either lol.
BlacKxKira
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Lmao idc what my team is looking like give me Deroz
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I never said you would. My point is that you aren't winning with DeRozan period. His value lies solely in being a #1 or #2 and he's not good enough to be those options and lead a team to a championship. If you make him 3rd or 4th or anything lower and he loses most of the impact he has on a game. Redick wouldn't do any better as a #1 or #2, in fact I think he'd do worse. However, Redick as a sharpshooter on a team is easily capable of winning a championship.
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I don't agree Demar is without a doubt a ball dominant guard but he has many skills. He could come off the bench and he he'd take less touches away from 1,2 options. Also note the best player he has every played with was Bosh for one season lmao. He's been the best player on the Raptors for the past two years. Without seeing Demar as a 3rd option role I don't think you can say a team would be worse off with him in that role.
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Honestly I think Deroz would make a great 3rd option on a championship team.
Derozan is the better player
However JJ is far more valuable to a Championship contender
However JJ is far more valuable to a Championship contender
Redick is a role player. Derozan is a perennial 20ppg scorer.
Derozan > Redick
Derozan > Redick
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Obviously Comp10
good luck winning anything with derozan
thanks?
Anghellic11
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Kevin Martin was a perennial 20ppg scorer
Rudy Gay was a perennial 20ppg scorer
Doesn't make you useful.
Carmelo a perennial 20ppg scorer
What are yall going on about? This is a comparison thread to JJ Redick.
Anghellic11
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You implied DeRozan is better because he can score 20 points a game but forgot to mention if DeRozan is ever scoring 20 points a game on your team, you aren't doing shit in the post-season.
What the fuck that gotta do with JJ Redick?
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It's also kind of proven that Redick is a 4th option at best. These two aren't comparable considering DeMar has been the best player on a 50 win team.
Anghellic11
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Which team was that? Did he play in some sort of euro league over the summer or something?
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What the fuck have the Clippers won with Redick?
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