Just Step Sideways

Hi there,

Thanks for considering my autopatrolled request (at that specific forum). I do, however, want to make a note regarding the deletion of my BLP page. The first deletion nomination of the page came last year when the person was only a nominee, and the nominator had no issue with it being in draftspace until the point in which she became confirmed. However, when she was confirmed and the article was brought back into the mainspace, there was another nomination for deletion because like you mentioned, the sourcing was a bit scarce. I didn't object to the deletion (or partake in the debate), but I do agree that it could be better sourcing (I was originally going to update it to show confirmation status but never got around to it). That being said, does one BLP deletion really disqualify me from autopatrolled, seeing that I've had really few (if any) problems with my creations as of late? After all, I've been extra careful when doing those articles. If you won't grant me the right, that's fine (though I'm very bummed about it seeing another decline). That said, when could I apply again? After all, the new page curation feed is very backlogged and I feel like the tool will help me lighten it up at least to some extent (and given my translations, which you conceded as good, it wouldn't need to be checked). It would be a pretty big headache needing to wait another few months before I could maybe apply again for a third (!) time. In any event, please let me know what the potential next steps are. Thanks. Losipov (talk) 03:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Just for convenience, here are the nominations if you need to review them again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jennifer_M._Adams

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jennifer_M._Adams_(2nd_nomination) Losipov (talk) 04:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

As I said over at PERM, I did come close to granting it based on the bulk of your work being totally ok. But then I read that AFD. The article was moved to draftspace as a result of the first AFD, and you moved it back to article space a month ago without improving the sourcing at all. The community has made it very clear that WP:BLP is one of our most important policies, and that such articles need to have good sourcing, or they shouldn't exist. Since the community takes this so seriously, admin actions need to reflect that concern. This obviously isn't a case of "you will never be qualified for this" but with such a recent concern with a poorly-sourced BLP I just don't see it right now. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 18:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Alright, that's fine. Maybe I'll just re-apply in a month or so for it (assuming that no problems arise in between now and then). In the meantime I'll work on bringing more stuff over. Again, thank you for consideration over at PERM, and even though it's frustrating I didn't get it now, I'll just reapply in the near future. Losipov (talk) 18:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi again @Just Step Sideways,

I hope all is well with you. Because it's been a month since my declined request for autopatrolled, I thought I would pop back into this thread and see if it's a alright or a bit too early for reapplying (basically, just seeking an opinion before I officially make a third request there). I've created a number of new articles, including a couple of BLPs, and would like to apply again to make the process a bit more streamlined so to speak. I haven't had any problems since then compared to the last request. Please let me know, and thank you once again for the guidance. Losipov (talk) 16:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

There's no real hard-and-fast rule but if I were you I'd wait another month. Keep up the good work though! Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 17:07, 6 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi Just Step Sideways. I didn't want to leave a comment under the PERM request earlier as I thought the request would be declined. I just wanted to know if these came up when evaluating User:Monhiroe for Autopatrolled rights and this at Draft:Ravikumar M, where it seems the subject edited their own article after the draft was created 3 days before! Most of their recent articles have maintenance tags as well! Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I do usually check the applicant's talk page for any recent issues, but it looks like I didn't in this case as the notification of the COIN discussion is still there and that would've got my attention if I'd seen it. I'll reconsider. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 17:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I looked again at their article creations, I looked at twelve recent articles and they only tag I found was at Akkaran, where a user added an empty section and tagged it as an empty section. The COI and the copyright problems at Commons seem like real concerns, but they do not seem related to article creation, which is what autopatrolled is all about. They appear blameless in the situation at the draft article you mention, and indeed asked for it to be deleted. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 18:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, I beg to differ. From my experience here, which is obviously very less compared to others, I have only seen autopatrolled rights granted to very prolific creators of clean articles who also have a strong command over the English language.

For someone who has been here since 2022 with over 80+ articles, they still cite references before the period [1], leave the talk pages empty Talk:The Akaali Talk:Kanni (2024 Tamil-language film) Talk:Pagalariyaan, limited proficiency to communicate/write in English without the help of an AI [2] [3] [4], Undisclosed COI/UPE at Nivedhithaa Sathish (Not following NPOV - She made a splash) and Srikanth Deva. I am surprised how a random editor can find a draft that was created 3 days before by Monhiroe and add content to it unless the creator is in contact with the subject, another case of undisclosed COI/PE at Draft:Ravikumar M. Wikipedia:OBSART

Acknowledging that they have worked with many cinema artists and politicians but failing to disclose the same is a big red flag. A NPR should obviously be looking over Monhiroe's contributions per the above. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Just Step Sideways, I am thinking of taking this to Wikipedia talk:Autopatrolled to request for a revoke on User:Monhiroe's autopatrolled rights. I would like to know your thoughts on this as there are serious issues(considering someone with autopatrolled) with the articles they have created.

• Monisha Blessy - This article was moved to the mainspace on 20 June, although another editor has cleaned up the mess, the article is still uncategorized after 7 days in mainspace, contains four citation errors and does not have a default sort. The education section is original research or possibly COI She started her schooling in St Thomas Matriculation Higher Secondary School, Chennai, She completed her MSC in Electronic Media at St. Thomas College of Arts and Science, Koyambedu, Chennai The inline citation does not verify any of this. The source on the education section mentions her DOB as February 3, 1996, but the infobox says 3 February 1999.
• Rail (2024 film) - Would have been tagged with {{Improve categories}} if someone had patrolled it and similar to some of their previous articles, there are no wikiproject tags as well.

Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ok, I think you have a point here. I'll revoke it. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 19:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Just Step Sideways, as blocking admin of Chris Troutman: The block message got auto-archived off of the talk page, which I think is not correct. It might also probably be helpful to include with the block message a permanent link to the ANI discussion [5]. Not fixing myself, as I'm not 100% sure I'd do the right thing. Secondarily (though the reason I noticed), I am slightly concerned that a recent comment on the talk page may be verging on gravedancing. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 13:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Looks like the recent discussion has been dealt with. Probably best to just leave it alone. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 17:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Re: your arb filing, I might suggest that you clarify the use of the word "errors" to "spelling errors" or similar. I suspect people will read that and think it refers to a deliberate falsification of factual content, as I initially did, rather than referring to intentional misspelling/typos. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 20:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

That's a fair point, I changed it to "small errors". Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

It seems like a textbook WP:POINT violation, but with an interesting motivation. It is not designed to disrupt Wikipedia. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 20:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

The request for arbitration that you filed has been declined by the Arbitration Committee. Arbitrators generally expressed the view that this incident on its own did not yet require arbitration and could have likely been resolved at AN/I with further discussion with the admin. For the Arbitration Committee, SilverLocust 💬 16:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Thank you for correcting me on the NPP tags. I think I need some handholding. Would it be okay if I reach out to you via your talk page for future guidance? Charlie (talk) 03:09, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply