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Anonymous Anonymous said...

What leads you to believe that the answer as to who Rey's parents were that is given in The Last Jedi is True?

Monday, 18 December, 2017

Blogger James Holloway said...

I agree with a lot of this, but I do think that the thing with Rey's parents is very much an intentional bait and switch -- you are clearly meant to think they are hrrm hrrm hrrm but by saying that they are actually hum de dum, Johnson is trying to provide an alternative view of the series' themes, implying that the story is not the saga of just you-know-who but implying that it is really about, you know, everyone. And I do think that was set up from the first film -- it was an intentional fakeout all along. It is *obvious* in the first film that Rey's parents are ahem ahem so that this could be subverted.

Similarly, with the lightsaber bit, I totally believe that the script notes for this episode said something like "Rey offers Luke the lightsaber and he rejects it; he no longer believes in the Jedi knights and considers himself a man of peace, wars not make one great, violence is the path to the Dark Side, etc., etc." I don't think that was always intended to be the bit of comedy business it turned out to be, though.

Monday, 18 December, 2017

Blogger Mike Taylor said...

I do concede that we're entitled to wonder whether Snoke was a Sith, and if so, how he fits into the always-two-there-are model. One might profitably muse on whether Sith-ness is in fact constrained to the always-two-there-are model, or whether that was just a story Plagueis/Palpatine, Palpatine/Dooku, then Palpatine/Vader told themselves to make themselves feel special. What I don't concede is thar the films have to explore that. I rather think we'll have more fun speculating on such things ourselves that we would get from being told the what The Answer is. Because whatever The Answer turns out to be, the only possible response will be "oh".

But more importantly:

If Snoke is a Sith, is Kylo Ren his apprentice? Or has Ren independently decided to revive Granddad's cult? If Ren doesn't see himself as the continuation of the Sith, in what sense does he think he's the new Darth Vader? (But why hasn't he taken on the title Darth?)

I think the defining characteristic of Kylo Ren is that he doesn't know what the heck he's doing. He pretty explicitly started out as a Vader fanboy ("I will finish what you started, grandfather"), just like any other edgy teen who is drawn to big-R Romantic notions of darkness. The only difference is that instead of sublimating this into making a collection of Judas Priest LPs, Ben Solo has enough innate Force ability to parlay his really slightly laughable obsession into something genuinely dangerous. Subsequently, he is obviously fascinated by the idea of turning away from this path to return to Han, but too much in fear or in awe of Snoke to do it. When the chance comes, he kills Snoke in a completely unpremediatated moment. He's thinking with his hormones, not his brain -- by which I don't just mean whatever kind of affection he has for Rey, but more broadly the whole wash of mutually confusing and contradictory adolescent hormones. At any moment, he could go either way -- as when, immediately after Snoke's death, he and Rey fight joyously side by side, only for the moment of camaraderie to dissolve the moment the Red Guards are defeated.

Ben is a kid who is fascinated by Nazi memorabilia, first excited then horrified to find he actually has it in him to create a Fourth Reich, and now winging it from moment to moment.

Isn't all of this tremendously more interesting than one more This Is Your Destiny journey?

(I really should have written all this on my own blog.)

Oh, and for what it's worth: I found resolution of the "mystery' of Rey's parents deeply satisfying: much, much more so than any of the fan theories. She was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Naturally, she became a hero.

Monday, 18 December, 2017

Blogger Spoilers Below said...

Thanks very much for this post, Andrew. It's good reading :)

I never meant to imply that digging deeper or asking question was an incorrect way to enjoy a series, nor that it wasn't a very fun and enjoyable endeavor. (and I've got a shelf-worth of Doctor Who novels, Star Wars comics, and "expanded universe" Roman poems and plays about Greek Mythology if you don't believe me!) You are emphatically not wrong for thinking about the question and wanting an answer. I was thinking more in terms of the wilder and crazier theorizing ("23 Reasons Why Snoke is Porkins and You're Not a Real Star Wars Fan if You Disagree"), not that merely asking questions was wrong.

One of the things I love about Star Wars, in fact, is the idea that every single character you ever see is having a life just as interesting as the protagonists, at least as far as Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina/Jabba's Palace/the Bounty Hunters/etc. led me to believe. So, while I don't think that, to address my earlier comment, "Who is Snoke?" couldn't lead to an excellent short story or novel or movie (Palpatine is very interesting in the prequels), merely that it isn't a question that the movie seems interested in.

The movie is interested in Kylo Ren texting Rey a shirtless pic of his muscly chest and "sup girl?" late at night, his adoptive dad telling him "I knew about you sneaking around the whole time, and you're a loser, and also your girlfriend sucks", and the pair of them killing him and his friends before Kylo is dumped for just not getting why she isn't into him. Snoke is a symbol, the big father (the Dark Father?) who Kylo has gotten rid of, but he still hasn't managed to grow up. To me, that's who Snoke is. He's a point in Kylo's development as a character, a chance where he could have seen where he'd gotten things wrong and changed, but instead threw himself even deeper into trying to be an ideal that he'll never manage to reach.

Russel T Davies was very interesting in regards this, because a lot of his slapdash approach was, from what I understand, intentional. He loves the novels and audio-dramas and and wants the show to keep running forever. I'm paraphrasing, but when someone asked him where The Wire (from The Idiot's Lantern) came from, he replied "I have no idea, and I'm excited to find out when someone writes that story!" Before the prequels and before Empire Strikes Back, the original treatment for Star Wars had the detail that Tarkin was the man actually in charge of the Empire, keeping the Emperor on the throne as a puppet and manipulating things from behind the scenes. I think the Emperor turned out to be a great deal more interesting that than. There's almost certainly a market for a Knights of Ren film, or a "Zurneith Kal, Traitor to the First Order" movie that would explore Snoke's backstory or rise to power.

Just because Last Jedi wasn't the right film to tell this story doesn't mean it isn't a story that shouldn't be told.

Friday, 22 December, 2017

Blogger A. L. Brackett said...

Hello, Mr. Rilstone

Firstly I would like to congratulate you, you were wright, I was wrong.
Although i did begin to drift toward Rey Solo as the trailers came out, initially I was hard core Ray Skywalker. It is now quite clear that Rey is Leia's doughtier. Indeed it is quite as clear as the fact that Snoke was just an avatar that Leia was using to create her own Vader, but even after that theory I did give Rey Solo full play as you did from the beginning.
So,congratulation once again.
Oh, and an A-wing is a space supremacy fighter wile a B-wing is basically a light bomber...but then you knew that already.

Friday, 29 December, 2017

Blogger JAn said...

In this quite interesting interview with Simon Mayo, Johnson says he was basically given carte blanche to take the story wherever he wanted. How truthful he's being can be brought into question, but it does seem as though there is no "showrunner" so to speak - which if true is bonkers.

He also says he's a huge SW fan. We can talk about whether he gets it or not, but he does come across as someone invested in the story and universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuCcm3SUwU0

My main issue with the film qua film is the baggy middle bit during which some of the characters have to run off and collect plot tokens. The Poe v Holdo dynamic held no tension for me because the film had almost literally said "let's park here until this other stuff's resolved". Poorly drawn out storytelling in a film that didn't need to be two and a half hours long.

Tuesday, 02 January, 2018