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Blogger postodave said...

There are subtler points of change as well. The Doctor's speech in The Dalek Invasion of Earth where he says he will defeat the Daleks is a game changer even though Terry Nation had to trap them on Earth with a fallen girder. This speech fits with the person he will become as he moves to the centre of the show. And this is a long way ahead of Patrick Troughton's 'These things must be fought' speech which some people see as the moment when the Doctor becomes the doctor. These are more like those points where Superman somehow changes.

I only noticed recently that Robert Holmes both set the upper limit on regenerations and suggested there were ones before Hartnell. He had a very flexible approach to continuity, as an example look at the way he writes the second Doctor in the two Doctors. I am told he had a theory that the second Doctor was always working for the timelords; maybe or maybe he just wondered what would work as a story and we are not supposed to ask how come Jamie did not already know about timelords in the War Games.

Thursday, 19 March, 2020

Blogger Stephen Watson said...

"a very flexible approach to continuity"

The standard Doctor Who approach to continuity was always "anything not mentioned on screen for 2 years is fair game".

Friday, 20 March, 2020

Blogger Gavin Burrows said...

...without specifying which planet it's using as its unit for years.

Friday, 20 March, 2020

Blogger postodave said...

Terrence Dicks quotes 1066 and all that saying history is what you can remember, and says he took the same approach to continuity. But some things weirdly stick. The 12 regenerations thing is one. Russell T Davies tried to fix it in the Sarah Jane Adventures by having the Doctor give a much larger number and Steve Moffatt decided to fix it once for all by getting the Doctor a new cycle, but here's a thing. Matt Smith never acted as if this was his last go until he explained why he was a bit further ahead than we would have supposed due to thing with Tennant's hand counting and there being the War Doctor.

Anyway I have a theory about Jo Martin's Doctor. I don't think she's pre-Hartnel. I think she's an overlap Doctor like Cho-Je and the Watcher and possibly the Valleyard.

Friday, 20 March, 2020

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

Steve...

I very nearly referenced a thing which you used to say about role-playing games: it doesn't matter what actually happened in the previous sessions; all that we care about is what the players and referee REMEMBER happening...

Friday, 20 March, 2020

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

Yes: there are points where you can look back and say "in retrospect, that was a moment when things changed". The arrival of the posh Colonel in Web of Fear is a watershed moment, but no-one could have know it at the time. I've been arguing that knowing what we now know, "Zygons" looks quite retro and "Planet of Evil" looks like a precursor of what the show is going to turn into in later 70s. Time Meddler redefined how historicals can work, and come to think of, redefined "the ship, which we have named TARDIS" as "one of at least two vehicles known as TARDISes." But I think my examples are of moments when things are consciously and obviously being changed up there on the screen.

Yes, it is interesting that Holmes as script editor dropped in the eight "previous" Doctors in Brain of Morbius, making Tom Baker the twelve Doctor, and then four stories later says that Time Lords only get thirteen lives / twelve regenerations. The coincidence of numbers makes you wonder if he actually had some unrealized Story Arc up his sleeve. The regeneration limit established itself because it kept being directly referenced in stories -- in Mawdwyn Undead and Trial of Time Lord to name put two, until it became a thing which "everybody knows". It has always amused me that the voice over at the beginning of the Paul McGann TV movie thinks that "a Time Lord has thirteen lives" is the VERY FIRST thing new viewers need to be told about the Doctor. When the show came back, a lot of people seemed to think that "twelve regenerations" was an utterly fixed point imposing an absolute time limit on the series. (Some people even thought that the Rowan Atkinson spoof was a BBC plot to burn through regenerations and kill off the series once and for all!)

Friday, 20 March, 2020

Blogger Stephen Watson said...

I don't remember saying that...

Saturday, 21 March, 2020

Blogger postodave said...

The Time Meddler changes how historicals work but it comes on the back of another change, which is that we have just reached then end of the first story arc. For two series the story in the background was about Ian and Barbara trying to get home now the Doctor has two companions without any such aim. Steven quite fancies being a crew member on a timeship, so another bridge is being crossed, now the Doctor has companions who want to be with him. And it is at this point that he has to police the timelines, as if he, and the series as a whole, is searching for a new purpose. You can plot a graph of the Doctor's journey to heroism and stopping the Monk is a definite point on that graph.

Saturday, 21 March, 2020

Blogger Mike Taylor said...

Fascinating, as expected. I do hope, though, that the affectation of referring to the Doctor as "they" is a one-off for this essay and not something we're going to be seeing more of. Sometimes he is he, sometimes she is she; he or she are never they. (They are they when we're talking about more than one of them, of course.)

I laughed out loud at your title "The Untimely Child".

There are lots of Doctors running round the universe but they all have a police box, a screwdriver and a habit of carrying on conversations with themselves. — Ruth Clayton did not have a sonic screwdriver, nor recognise Doctor Jodie's. Just sayin'.

Gender and race are not really part of who your; they are just superficial add-ons to your true self. — This may be true, but I don't think it's at all the kind of thing you can just toss into an argument in passing, as though it's an undisputed and incontestable fact. (And for what it's worth, I don't think it is true.)

Tuesday, 31 March, 2020

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

"Gender and race are not really part of who your; they are just superficial add-ons to your true self." I was suggesting that this was implied by the idea of Regeneration, and particularly the way it is handled here: not that I think that this is necessarily true.

"They". I belief that the etiquette is that if someone identifies as "she" you treat them as already having been she. ("She was identified as male at birth.") It would be confusing to refer to the first Doctor as "he" so I have decided that the Doctor's preferred pronouns are "they/them." The Brigadier famously described the Doctor as "a splendid fellow: all of them."

Tuesday, 31 March, 2020

Blogger Mike Taylor said...

"I belief that the etiquette is that if someone identifies as "she" you treat them as already having been she."

This is obviously a sensitive area that I am mad to get into, but in fact different transgender people have different preferences on this. Some say "I was always female and was misidentified as male", others say "I was male but I am now female". So it seems to me the best etiquette is to observe what the individual in question prefers.

In the case of the Doctor, it's pretty clear that Doctor Jodie doesn't think it was a mistake that she was identified as male all that time — that the Doctor during the first twelve canonical regenerations was male, and she now is female. And I think good etiquette would honour that.

Tuesday, 31 March, 2020

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

(I meant "confusing to call the First Doctor SHE", obviously. :)

Tuesday, 31 March, 2020

Blogger Tynam said...

In fairness to the Paul McGann TV movie... not a phrase I use very often... the plot of the movie is specifically *about* regeneration. Which makes "Time Lords regenerate" an unusually important piece of information to deliver.

There's still not much excuse for dumping it in voiceover when we were about to get a demonstration anyway.

That movie is a perfect example of a failed conscious change to the series; it was trying to create both a new sensibility and a few background changes for a reboot (He's half-human! Everyone be surprised!) which failed to stick because it gave no reasons to care.

The 'collection of weird oddments from his travels' opening shot of McCoy in the TARDIS became my instant headcanon for interior decoration, though.

Sunday, 05 April, 2020

Blogger Mike Taylor said...

I do agree that, whatever else one might say about the McGann movie, it does have the most gorgeous TARDIS interior.

Sunday, 05 April, 2020

Blogger Tynam said...

I'm inclined to agree that referring to individual incarnations as "he" or "she" is appropriate - and it would be very confusing to do otherwise. But when referring to "an arbitrary incarnation that we haven't identified", a hypothetical or platonic Doctor, it seems to me that singular "they" is now the only sensible choice. It is not made particularly _more_ sensible by the fact that "unidentified incarnations of the Doctor" is now decidedly plural.

Sunday, 05 April, 2020

Anonymous Anonymous said...

more like doctgor poo if you ask me

Thursday, 20 May, 2021