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Blogger Gavin Burrows said...

It is likely that Stan Lee suggested that Kirby expand the Silver Surfer from a very minor bit-player in Fantastic Four # 48 to a major supporting role in # 49 and #50. Several of the subsequent stories that feature the now earthbound Surfer – particularly the one where Doctor Doom usurps his cosmic powers – look as if they were Stan's ideas.

Interesting idea. Any chance we could get you to expand on it at all? I’ve always thought of the Surfer as Kirby’s until the solo comic. Though of course Kirby was always throwing up characters faster than he was figuring out what to do with them. I’ve also seen him as a bigger, better updating of the Infant Terrible story. (The main difference being what happens when the ‘daddy’ turns up.)

Jack Kirby was well aware of the religious resonances of the character. When Galactus exiles the Surfer to earth, we are supposed to think of God casting his favoured angel out of heaven. (This is particularly pronounced in the 1978 graphic novel version of the story, in which the Surfer spends a full page plummeting to earth.) Of course, 'God' is here the baddy, and 'Lucifer' is the goody, but Kirby revelled in reversals of this kind.

While I doubt it’s any kind of conscious influence, I’ve tended to see the relationship in Blakean terms. God/The Patriarchal Father versus the Rebellious Son, What is Lawful vs What is Good. (Is there anywhere round here where I can link directly to Pseuds Corner?)

In case you miss the point Stan makes the Surfer's main adversary a demonic figure called, very subtly, Mephisto, who wants to destroy the Surfer because, er, he does.

I’ve always seen that as an example of Marvel’s gravitas backfiring badly. It basically becomes a variant of John the Baptist exiled to the desert, facing the tempter. Yet that guy who wrote the Bible made all of that but one scene in a larger work. Repeating it month after month doesn’t embellish it so much as drive it into the ground. (“Join the dark side.” “No thanks mate.” “How about today?” etc etc) The Bible, I note, has gone on to sell more copies. (Glenn Dakin played it better as a gag cartoon.)

Whether he’s predominantly noble or innocent, the Surfer is a kind of Platonic figure representing an absolute value. Such a character needs a human foil to spark off, just like the nobles in Shakespeare plays need the common folk. Creating Mephisto or some other cosmic opposite makes things not only somewhat predictable but also remote, disconnected from the reader.

I’m a Kirby purist of the strictest school and even I acknowledge Buscema did some of his best work on the solo Surfer.

Monday, 12 February, 2007

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Monday, 12 February, 2007

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

Are you sure that the jewish creators of the Silver Surfer would really have been making a 'good=Jesus' connection?

Kurtzberg wouldn't and didn't. He definitely said that Galactus was like God casting Lucifer down from heaven (Isaiah 14)

You are right that Lieber doesn't explicitly say that the Surfer is Jesus, but he certainly used a Christian iconography for Mephisto in "The Silver Surfer." (Mephisto is the adversary of goodness, not merely the tempters, and he hopes to win the ultimate victory on "the day of Armageddon" -- a clear reference to the Christian book of revelation.) Lieber says that "people" have "likened his suffering to a pictorial depiction of the agonies of the early religious martyrs". Isn't that a round-a-bout way of saying "paintings of the Crucifixion". (What paintings of Jewish martyrs could he have had in mind.)He also "preached a credo that could he been taken directly from the Bible." Surely "credo" is a Christian term? (What about "Bible"?)

We should ask Mark Evanier or someone how observant a Jew Jack actually was. I know he had a Jewish funeral, but beyond that...did he keep passover, go to temple? I actually don't know.

Monday, 12 February, 2007

Blogger Andrew Stevens said...

The superior Kirby version of the Surfer is an alien, very probably created out of thin air by Galactus. Possibly, like his board, he's made of energy and sometimes takes on a solid form. He[Photo] doesn't have digestive organs, so there is no reason to think that he is biologically human in any other respect. Although he is impressed by Alicia's nobility, there is never the slightest hint that he is sexually attracted to her -- he simply doesn't understand Ben's jealousy. And he goes naked.

The inferior Stan Lee version has flesh, bones and all things which pertaineth to man's nature: they just happen to be coated with a life-preserving silvery substance. He has emotions and a human lover, and he always keeps his knickers on.

So the answer to the pressing question 'Does the Silver Surfer have a willy?' is 'Up to Fantastic Four # 70, no; after Silver Surfer #1, yes.


I agree with Mr. Rilstone that the original conception of the character is superior to the Russell T, er, Stan Lee version of the character.

Wednesday, 14 February, 2007

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

Interesting idea. Any chance we could get you to expand on it at all? I’ve always thought of the Surfer as Kirby’s until the solo comic. Though of course Kirby was always throwing up characters faster than he was figuring out what to do with them.

Your wish is my command.

Monday, 19 February, 2007