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Blogger postodave said...

I grew up with Hartnell. Actually I started with Hartnell. The first Doctor I watched without an adult's hand on the TV button was Troughton. By the time of late Pertwee early Baker my dad would no longer let me watch so my gran got a lot of visits. I can't remember feeling betrayed by the changes as Baker progressed. I could be heard this Sunday shouting out this is awful. I remember reading a review of the third poem in T S Eliots Four Quartets that argued that it was deliberately bad but really good once you understood its place in the overall structure. I always wondered what Eliot made of this backhanded compliment. Perhaps Chibnell is doing the same thing. Perhaps it's like Hey Jude where people took it back to the shop only to be told, 'It's meant to sound like that,'

Tuesday, 03 March, 2020

Blogger Gavin Burrows said...

'Tomorrow Never Knows'. And even then you'd need to say "allegedly".

Wednesday, 04 March, 2020

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

I think the argument is that each of the Four Quartets has a third section which refutes or contradicts the first two -- with the last providing a synthesis. So it would follow that the third of the Quartets would to some extent be an anti-quartet or a self-parody. Up until 1999 it was widely held among Star Wars fans (that is to say, me) that the prequel trilogy would be to the trilogy as A New Hope was to Empire Strikes Back; and that the sequel trilogy would be the original trilogy as Return of the Jedi was to Empire Strikes Back. After Phantom Menace came out this theory was not as widely held. There is no doubt that in the Doctor Who fanzines of the 70s, Baker was largely disliked and Robert Holmes was seen as a betrayer of the old series. Graham Williams and Douglas Adams even more so. Apparently, Jan Vincent Rudski knows that I exist. I had a rotten time and school and this kind of thing is very important to my eleven year old self. What was the question?

Wednesday, 04 March, 2020

Blogger Mike Taylor said...

I'm pretty sure I've never seen a Zygons episode until the late-eleventh-Doctor one. I have to say Andrew's write-up is not making me want to go back and remedy that.

This year, a thing has happened that I never thought would happen: not only am I not bothering to write about Doctor Who, I'm not bothering to watch it. We saw the first half of the "Spyfall" two-parter because, hey, it was New Year's Day and why not?, but we've not returned for any of the subsequent episodes. It feels ... weird.

Thursday, 05 March, 2020

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

Terror of the Zygons is a perfectly good middle period old Who alien invasion tale, with very good aliens but a very poor dinosaur. Being not the best story in a season which includes Brain of Morbius and Pyramids of Mars is fairly forgivable.

if you ever cared about Doctor Who you probably need to watch the last three episodes in order to have a strong opinion on them.

I suppose I will have to give Uncle Walt £50 for the Mandalorian and Clone Wars, won’t I?

Thursday, 05 March, 2020

Blogger Mike Taylor said...

"If you ever cared about Doctor Who you probably need to watch the last three episodes in order to have a strong opinion on them."

You mean the last three episodes of the current season?

Thursday, 05 March, 2020

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

the last three episodes of the current season, I mean, not the last three episodes of the Zygons.

Thursday, 05 March, 2020

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

double jinx no returns

Thursday, 05 March, 2020

Blogger Mike Taylor said...

Then I guess I will watch the whole darned thing, to get the context.

Thursday, 05 March, 2020

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

There are some decent monster / historical stories in the most recent season — much better than the last one, But it is disfigured by a very silly fannish “arc”. The new Master is good when he is being himself but irritating when he is being Missy.

Thursday, 05 March, 2020

Blogger Gavin Burrows said...

Generally better than the previous season, yes. And yes, that is faint praise. But while the average is higher there is no single episode as good as ‘Demons of the Punjab’, which remains the rose-amid-manure of the Chibnall era.

The… yes it truly is… silly and fannish story arc leads to an even more terrible denouement. Which manages to be fannish and anti-fan at the same time, in that it’s only stuff fans will be bothered by and fans are quite definitely going to be bothered by it. And they were. If the degree of upset has in some cases been excessive, its basis is correct.

But the odd thing with the arc is that some episodes are clearly made to be enjoyed on a moment-to-moment basis, the viewer just taking in the ride and not worrying when it doesn’t turn out to make any sense. (Particularly ‘Praxeus’.)

Last time I saw ‘Terror of the Zygons’ was the first time. I have seen some Hartnell stories more recently. There is one in which he turns into somebody else, you know.

Thursday, 05 March, 2020

Blogger postodave said...

But there is no record of Eliot saying, 'Well done, you spotted my cunning plan.' On the other hand there is no record of him saying, 'What does he mean, 'worshipers of the machine,' is a great line and I really put some top spin on, 'I do not know much about gods.' That bad it's good is an interesting category because creativity is only ever partly calculated. I am mostly the kind of fan who loves it all until clever people tell me how bad it is. So if I do find myself feeling this is really bad, I always suspect I am at last becoming clever.

Thursday, 05 March, 2020

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sacha Dhawan is to John Simm what Colin Baker was to Tom Baker: a talented actor who could make an excellent Doctor/Master were he allowed to create his own interpretation, but forced by the writers into doing a misguided imitation of his predecessor because they were so popular.

Monday, 09 March, 2020

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

Colin a bad Tom? Sacha a bad Michelle? I think I will go and lie down for a bit...

Monday, 09 March, 2020