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Blogger John said...

OK, that's it. I'm officially renouncing my American citizenship so I can move to the UK and vote for you for prime minister. Do you need me to bring you anything? Some fried chicken? A gun?

Sunday, 07 September, 2008

Anonymous Anonymous said...

From the same side of the pond, though not nearly so amusingly, I have a question: What is textually problematic about the Lewis piece? I'm curious to know more.

But yes, Andrew for PM sounds like a fine idea.

Sunday, 07 September, 2008

Blogger Unknown said...

Please enlighten me: who are the group in the clip? I feel my wallet trembling with imminent explosive decompression.

Monday, 08 September, 2008

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

"Show of Hands". (I thought the magic of You Tube revealed this at the end of clip.)

Monday, 08 September, 2008

Blogger NickPheas said...

Actually I think when the Spartans invade the chap that lobs the pointy stick further than anyone else isn't all that useful either. Really we should be training all the kids to throw the same distance. That way them Spartans will get a load all at the same time instead of ones and twos at all ranges.

We could probably invent a sport from it as well. Some kind of javelin version of bowls.

Monday, 08 September, 2008

Blogger Andrew Stevens said...

By the by, although textually Lewis was referring to English education, his foreword to the American edition indicates that he was actually talking about U.S. education in that essay.

The relevant passage: "So far so good. But I had to face a tactical difficulty. The 'Toast' was published in an American magazine. The tendency in education which I was deploring has gone further in America than anywhere else. If I had been writing 'straight' my article would have been an attack on the 'public schools' of America. It would indeed have raised nothing that educated Americans do not fully admit. But it is one thing for them to say these things of their own country and another to hear them said by a foreigner! I therefore thought it neither good manners nor good tactics to make my point quite nakedly. Instead, I resorted to a further level of irony. Screwtape in fact describes American education; he affects to be holding English education up as the awful example. The most intelligent of my American readers would, I hoped, see the game I was playing and enjoy the joke. And if those who were a little duller really believed that 'democratic' education (in the true sense) had gone even further in England, they could not help seeing that their actual system was at least uncomfortably like the one Screwtape describes—and draw the moral."

So, no, Lewis was not referring to secondary moderns particularly. He was referring to a trend in U.S. education which began in the late '40s/early '50s and was eventually slavishly copied by the U.K., principally after his death.

Monday, 08 September, 2008

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

That's the textual difficulty. Watch this space.

Monday, 08 September, 2008

Blogger Andrew Stevens said...

I await breathlessly. Screwtape says, "It begins to work itself into their educational system. How far its operations there have gone at the present moment, I would not like to say with certainty. Nor does it matter. Once you have grasped the tendency, you can easily predict its future developments." So Lewis seems to have seen himself as a prophet in that whole text rather than a critic. Was there an earlier edition with different phrasing where Lewis was clearly critiquing contemporary English education and which he later retracted and substituted this version or something?

Monday, 08 September, 2008