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Blogger Unknown said...

I don't know nearly enough about C. S. Lewis scholarship to appreciate this properly, but it made my day nonetheless.

Sunday, 02 April, 2006

Blogger Helen Louise said...

That was brilliant, in a rather disturbing way, but brilliant all the same.

But he used the word "masturbation" in The Great Divorce...

...Sorry, I'll shut up now.

Sunday, 02 April, 2006

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

"Masturbation" doesn't seem to be a taboo word: he even uses it the "Mere Christianity" radio broadcasts: "Dozens of people go to (God) to be cured of some one particular sin which they are ashamed of (like masturbation or physical cowardice)..."

Sunday, 02 April, 2006

Blogger Lars Konzack said...

... and where does that leave us. Should we read Lewis' urinal problems into his works or is it just tabloid stuff?

Dear Rilstone,
What exactly are you trying to say? What is the point?

Monday, 03 April, 2006

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

Dear Rilstone,
What exactly are you trying to say? What is the point?


C.S Lewis's estate have seen fit to publish his letters and diaries. Walter Hooper, possibly as part of his campaign to canonize Lewis, went so far as to use foresnic systems to reinstate the flagellant passages which Arthur had to tried to delete. This means that a lot of facts about Lewis's life are now "on the record."

One can have a discussion about whether the facts about an author's life can or should be "read into" his works. Lewis was an exceptionally autobiographical writer; always holding his feelings and his emotions up as examples to prove his points. (He just knows that certain kinds of Biblical criticism can't be correct, because that way of thinking didn't exist before the first world war, much less in the first century.) This makes his psychology more than usually relevant to the study of his books. Were his three boarding schools really as awful as he describes? How do his experiences there impact on his opinions on education, as expressed in the Narnia books? Now we know that he read the Marquis De Sade and on one occassion (as a student) offered his male friends money if they would whip him allow us to approach the references to punishments in the Narnia books in quite the same way?

The biggie areas of Lewisian psychology -- Mrs. Moore, Joy, his father, the occult and paganism, the mysterious "enormous emotional incident" -- have been written about pretty extensively. No-one else has touched on this one. I was genuinely intrigued by the "going North" letter to Arthur and the story of Mrs Studer's attempted suicide. When I started to think about it, it occured to me that Lewis mentions toilets surprisngly often.

(So far as I can recall, there is not a single reference to the subject in the whole Tolkien ouvre: not so much as a hint about digging latrines before a before a battle or the existance of Hobbit privies. And what about elves? They eat and drink, after all. Even Milton is prepared to tell us about the toilet arrangement for angels (*) The only time the matter is even hinted at is when we are told that the Dead Marshes are "as noisome as a cesspool" -- although John Garth wonders whether "filth" may sometimes be a euphemism.)

Intrigued, I started to think about what could be going on, and, in the Spirit of the Socratic Club, followed the argument where it appeared to take me. Obviously, I could do with doing more extensive research -- it would be interesting, for example, to draw up a table based on the letters and see if there are words and subject he will use to Warnie but not to Arthur; and I rather skated over the whole question of nudism.

Is there a "point"? So far, it's merely interesting. I think that I am on to something, but it will take more research to discover whether what I have noticed is a minor "tic"; or whether it is sufficiently important that Lewis's weak bladder will turn out to have had as big an impact on ecclesiastical history as Martin Luthur's constipation.



(*) "So down they sat
And to their viands fell; nor seemingly
The Angel, nor in mist—the common gloss
Of theologians—but with keen dispatch
Of real hunger, and concoctive heat
To transubstantiate: what redounds transpires
Through Spirits with ease...

Monday, 03 April, 2006

Blogger Lars Konzack said...

Lewis says ("On Criticism" in "Of Other Worlds: Essays & Stories", p. 50-52): "Another type of critic who speculate about the genesis of your book is the amateur psychologist. He has a Freudian theory of literature and claims to know all about your inhibitions. [...] The truth is that a very large part of what comes up from the unconsciuos and which for that reason, seems so attractive and important at the early stages of planning a book, is weeded out and jettisoned long before the job is done: Just as people (if they are not bores) tell us their dreams only those which are amusing or in some other way interesting by the standards of the waking mind."

I admit your rant "Enter Into Thy Closet" is amusing to the waking mind. I wouldn't, however, try to understand the works of CS Lewis based on the implications of these witty insinuations.

Monday, 03 April, 2006

Blogger Chestertonian Rambler said...

I don't quite see your connection between nervousness about bladder problems and nervousness about sex. Certainly Lewis struggled with puritanicalism as it related to sex, but I don't see in general a scatological nervousness of the subject.

And, speaking personally, I always found the comment about finding relief when one sees the sign "gentleman" quite amusing and well-put, and assumed it was just an example of his personable style rather than a strange sort of misogyny. But then again, I've been subjugated to an exceptionally large number of long car rides as a child, and remember very well the feeling of finally having convinced my parents I'm "serious" and the relief of seeing a simple euphamism that declares that I'm safe from both the pain of "holding it" and the potential humiliation of wetting my pants like a toddler.

But then I'm American. You folks have trains, which come with toilets. But if Lewis had an unrecognized problem holding his bladder, would he not be in a similar position when writing about pleasures of necessity as I was when first reading this essay--that is, thinking "how can you say that you haven't associated that sign with incredible joy? Isn't that why the euphamism "relieve oneself" was invented?"

Monday, 03 April, 2006

Blogger Lars Konzack said...

Dear Rilstone,
When are you going to say Aprils Fool?

Wednesday, 05 April, 2006

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

Ah.

It wasn't exactly an April Fool, though. All the facts in the piece are correct; and all the inferences which I make are (in my opinion) reasonable. Granted, the Freudian stuff at the end is a bit extreme; but that's because it's twenty years since I read Siggy and didn't have time to be any fresh research. But, yes, it was a frivolous piece of research which I wouldn't have printed on any other day of the year.

Wednesday, 05 April, 2006

Blogger Lars Konzack said...

Having read some Queer Theory I must say, your Freudian stuff in this rant isn't that extreme.

Thursday, 06 April, 2006

Blogger A. L. Brackett said...

Having just discovered your blog today, I must say this dose shed some new light on some Lewis' works. Particularly the Narnia Chronicles. I have always found the question about what was Polly doing by the river rather odd. It now seems obvious that this is an attempt to resolve the difficulty of biological necessities on co-ed adventures with the Victorian prudery. Likewise we now understand the fuss Caspian makes about getting Lucy a privet cabin above deck (presumably with an opening window) since they did not have heads on those sorts of ships, and it was a chivalrous imperative that the blossoming maiden not have to blurt out in front of the crew "I half to go to the poop deck".

Monday, 08 May, 2006

Blogger Priscilla Turner said...

Somewhere I read years ago a reference to Lewis' suffering from frequency, called a "distressing weakness of the bladder", resulting from a shrapnel wound suffered with his other ones in the trenches. I can't seem to find it by searching on-line, but I believe that it exists.

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