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Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a bit of depressing day altogether. I walked the 5 minutes to the polling station and back this morning and spent the next hours lying on the sofa swearing, which I would like to have thought was a political comment but has more to do with my continuing sore stomach.

I did send Polly Toynbee a long, well argued case explaining why I wouldn't be taking her advice and voting Labour despite everything, and got a pithy four lines back which could best be translated as "well, sod off then." So I feel I've taken my part in the cut and thrust of national debate, such as there has been. I have voted for our Lib Dem candidate despite the fact that much of her election literature is clearly aimed at out Torying the Tories. I have read some of the Lib Dem manifesto, a very small amount of the Labour one, most of the BNP one (they are a very scientifically racist party. If people of different ethnic origin were in fact biologically members of different species some of their arguments might hold a small amount of water, for a limited time), explained huge quantities of the little I know of politics to my son, who is quite intrigued by the whole thing, and bought my copy of the Guardian with little charts to fill in red, yellow and blue as the results are announced. As I'm off work sick I may even watch the whole of the results, which I haven't done since I was a student. But I don't feel happy about any of it (except the little charts, which I always rather enjoy). It's rather sad when the only thing one has to look forward to is the distant hope of resignations to come.

Thursday, 05 May, 2005

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do they keep saying that Labour has won an historical third term? It seems clear to me that they never even won a single term.

All it needs now is for him to start saying "The Council Tax Rebanding will be very popular" and people behind shouting "Ten more years" and [Emperor's rasping voice] his conversion will be complete.

We [by which I mean the Sensible Party] lost seats to the Tories, although we won a pitiful number from Labour. Or New Labour. Or something. The breakthrough didn't happen.

I had a very pleasant bottle of 31-year-old Glen Grant waiting for me at the first item of news worth celebrating. It remained sitting on the sideboard until 2 o'clock, whereupon it was abandoned. Still, whisky unopened doesn't go off, so it can wait another 4 years...

Friday, 06 May, 2005

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Having recently woken I am uncertain what has happened where; but this seems to have filled in some of my blank spaces:
http://www.newstatesman.com/World/200505090004

And this has filled in some more:
http://www.channel4.com/news/microsites/E/election2005/results-london.html

So what have we got:
Liberals up overall but they lost out to the Tories. Given that they are to the left of New Labour that doesn't surprise me; though it does disappoint me. Even a BNP voter is taking a principled and idealistic stance (albeit one I disagree with) whereas a Conservative's chief concern is to protect his wealth from tax and crime; or so it seems to me. So raising income tax, as the Liberals promised, was always going to be a hard sell.
However the Liberals are seen as much more principled than Labour and so took seats of them.

OK: Assuming the New Statesman article is to be trusted we will have punished Blair for lying about the war and replaced him with Brown, who appears much less slippery and much more principled. It is regretable that he is no more socialist than Blair but I take the view that Soclialism, like the Trades Union movement, is a spent force; partly because, over the course of a Century or more, they have been succesful in improving the lot of the working man and partly because many working man's trades have now largely been replaced with fragmatised and unrepresented menial and service sector jobs. In other words, a much greater proportion of those who vote now see Socialism as a threat to the wealth they have accumulated rather than as a means of improving their lot.

Anyway, to return to Andrew's essential argument:
was Blair's lying/deception so heinous we should elect Howard?
Well no.
No, with huge golden knobs on.

I am a pregamatist, not an idealist. I will not suffer nobly but I will accept suffering if there is a damn good reason, and there are certain issues that govern my vote.
A few are:
Environment(inc. climate change)- who will look after it better?
Being nice to vulnerable minorities- inc.: pensioners, asylum seekers/economic migrants, travellers, the low paid, and so on?
Europe-phile or Euro-phobe?
Abortion rights?
Electoral reform?
And so on.

Going through these and seeing where each party stands I end up with the Greens as an ideal, Liberals as a possibility, and Labour as a pragmatic reality. The conservatives are just there to keep the Orcs of UKIP and BNP at bay.

Anyway, hopefully in 4 years time the liberals will have found a more credible leader, Brown will have done a good job, Howard will be 4 years older, and I will have got my registration in on time.

Colin

Friday, 06 May, 2005

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Liberals up overall but they lost out to the Tories. Given that they are to the left of New Labour that doesn't surprise me; though it does disappoint me.

The commentators seem to think that the LibDem strategists think that this is a problem. (To advance further, they really need to take votes off the Tories as well as Labour.) I agree that, these days, the LibDems are visibly much more, well, liberal, than Labour, but I guess that they can try and claim a continuing attachment to individualism, which has never been a Labour ideal. Or something.

Even a BNP voter is taking a principled and idealistic stance (albeit one I disagree with) whereas a Conservative's chief concern is to protect his wealth from tax and crime; or so it seems to me.

Not entirely fair, from my experience of political conservatives (including Tories). A party which opposes taxes and regulation is always going to attract a steady supply of purely selfish supporters, of course, but there's a perfectly respectable Conservative traditions of libertarianism (not very visible in the party of Michael Howard, which found David Blunkett running off with its trousers, I'll grant you), and the idea that free-market capitalism is the most efficient form of economic organisation (and that efficient economic organisation is better for everyone in the long term) is highly defensible.

Putting it simply, for quite a lot of people, Labour was long seen as the bossy party - and who can say that Blair & Blunkett aren't bossy? The LibDem's best hope may actually be to argue that, post-Thatcher, post-Blair, they're the least bossy option.

Of course, combining that with promising to do various things that only they seem to admit need doing may be harder.

So raising income tax, as the Liberals promised, was always going to be a hard sell.

It's a hard sell to most voters, I'm afraid, not just core Tories. People do like cash in hand.

Friday, 06 May, 2005

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Tuesday, 10 May, 2005