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"19 July"

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Blogger Gavin Burrows said...

Coming from the pre-interweb era it was possible to hear about bands for the longest time before you actually heard them. So it was with a years-long build-up of anticipation that I finally got to listen to the legendary Incredible String Band.

And I thought, if I’m honest, it was the most interminable hippy bollocks.

Not so long ago I read Rob Young’s mighty tome ‘Electric Eden’, where he lavishes them with praise. I tried again. I’ve now read through this, and clicked hopefully on the links. Same response every time. “Well at least they’ll have to stop soon, because they’ll get the munchies”.

And I like a lot of hippie era music! I like that whole thing of figuring it’s all just inspired nonsense, and feeling in on the joke, but then never quite being sure whether it might be a double bluff and mean something after all. I love, for example, early acoustic Marc Bolan. Maybe it’s music which relies heavily on a sense of charm, teh way a child’s charm can entertain you, and the chemistry of charm is a highly subjective thing.

So the ISB are to me what Bob Dylan is to Mike.

20 July 2020 at 10:13

Blogger Mike Taylor said...

I feel obscurely proud of having become Gavin's touchstone for Just Not Getting It.

For what it's worth, I had a similar long-run-up experience to Gavins, of having heard about the ISB for a long time before the heard the band themselves — and especially of having heard about all the other bands they'd influenced, including a lot of prog artists that I love. And I was similarly disappointed on hearing their actual music. Though perhaps that's as much the fault of the unrealistic expectations as the actual songs.

21 July 2020 at 09:17

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

Question: regardless of the content, what do you think of the form?

Or, put another way, even if the words are silly, how does the music -- the sitar and the drums and the pan pipes work for you?

21 July 2020 at 11:49

Blogger Mike Taylor said...

On listening now, I can't discern enough structure in the music to like it much. But that doesn't mean a whole lot — it's perfectly possible that if I listened more it would all swim into focus.

21 July 2020 at 15:33

Blogger Gavin Burrows said...

The words you quoted if anything made me think "maybe I should give this another try". But what sounds - at least to me - like the same old music, out-of-it hippies blowing into nose flutes then arbitrarily picking up some other random thing.

But then not just you but almost anyone whose opinions on music I listen to tells me I'm wrong. So quite likely it is me Just Not Getting It.

22 July 2020 at 09:41

Blogger Mike Taylor said...

Almost anyone whose opinions on music I listen to tells me I'm wrong. So quite likely it is me Just Not Getting It.

Welcome to my world.

22 July 2020 at 09:46

Anonymous g said...

I don't know whether it's helpful, but I'd guess the headless man is a reference to the ideas of Douglas Harding, author of "On Having No Head" (see e.g. here). C S Lewis was terribly enthusiastic about an earlier book by Harding, also I think touting the "headless" way of looking at the world.

23 July 2020 at 04:33

Anonymous Kalimac said...

There is one song on this album I absolutely love, and that is "Cousin Caterpillar." ISB is often a wayward band, but sometimes they find the perfect mixture of the spacy and the snappy, and that one is it.

23 July 2020 at 15:16

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

C S Lewis was terribly enthusiastic about an earlier book by Harding, also I think touting the "headless" way of looking at the world.



Exit blogger to write article combining two of his favourite subjects....

23 July 2020 at 16:45

Blogger Mike Taylor said...

Based on Kalimac's suggestion I gave ISB another try, this time with Cousin Caterpillar. I found that much more approachable (although it does seem to go on for about twice as long as it needs to). Thanks for the pointer!

24 July 2020 at 02:53

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

1: Look up the Hedgehog Song in that case.

2: I think maybe you need to listen to an album right through: Maya and Douglas Trahern are less "long songs without much structure" than "several short songs which run together" and the point of Mountain of the Lord and Noahs Cousin is that they are little flashes of tune in the 45 minute hippy symphony.

3: I didn't realise that Wee Tam and Big Huge were originally presented as a Double Album: I thought it was just the CD version giving you two for one. Which means that it's really a 90 minute hippy symphony, not a 45 minute one, which is twice as good, or twice as bad depending on your viewpoint.

4: The Archbishop of Canterbury picked the Hedgehog Song on desert island discs.

5: I am now writing about Show of Hands. What could possibly go wrong?

24 July 2020 at 06:12

Blogger Mike Taylor said...

Ah, as it happens I am somewhat familiar with the Hedgehog Song, but I'd not really made the connection with the ISB. (That's because I first heard it at the Mitcheldean Folk Club by someone who did it as a straight guitar-and-vocal number with a very different feel from the original.)

It's an interesting example of a track that would now be thought of as a novelty song, but which I suspect has played and sung with a completely straight face at the time — or at least, with just as straight a face as the rest of the album.

24 July 2020 at 08:12

Blogger Andrew Rilstone said...

oh you know all the words
and you sing the right tune
but you never really learned the song
I can tell by the sadness in your eyes that you never really learned the song

odd sort of ditty for an Anglican Archbishop to identify with....

24 July 2020 at 09:42