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It should be reduced to main Boss. Eg. President Dick Richardson with 55hp is not a challange. F3 Overboss is Behemoth probably, it is known Enclave President's name also.--dotz 08:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- Richardson is the main boss, because he's in charge of the Enclave. He's not a killing machine himself, but he's the main villain as the mastermind behind the Enclave. He might not be the main boss in terms of gameplay, but he's definitely the main villain in terms of story. As for FO3, we don't know yet whether the Enclave or the super mutants will be the main villain, or something else altogether. Ausir 10:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- Bit forced explanation. What about main villain in Fallout demo?--dotz 14:48, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- THAT'S BECAUSE THERE IS NO MAIN VILLAIN IN THE DAMN DEMO!!!!! Ausir's explanation is exactly what I had in mind when I made the lists. Darkman 4 15:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- How is the explanation forced? As the leader of the Enclave, the president is clearly the main villain, even if he's not a boss in gameplay terms. Ausir 20:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- Perhaps the Overseer should be included for Fallout 1. And Behemoth is clearly a determined enemy in Fallout 3, as well to correspond with the other lists, Fallout 3 should be before the spin-offs. voluntas 05:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
- I added Fallout 3's Enclave president, John Henry Eden. Ausir 08:38, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
- THAT'S BECAUSE THERE IS NO MAIN VILLAIN IN THE DAMN DEMO!!!!! Ausir's explanation is exactly what I had in mind when I made the lists. Darkman 4 15:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
- Bit forced explanation. What about main villain in Fallout demo?--dotz 14:48, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Wernher as a bad guy[]
I think Wernher should be added as an antagonist. He isn't initially the bad guy, but based on decisions in the DLC, he can turn against you. When he becomes an enemy no karma is lost for having made him your enemy or killing him. In fact, given that he used to be Ashur's lieutenant, his motivations for helping the slaves appear to be mainly in the interest of revenge against Ashur. It's ambiguous sure, but you can just as easily say Ashur was a good guy for wanting to one day free the slaves and giving them the cure once The Pitt was rebuilt, and that he didn't want to take the slaves to begin with. It looks like the bad guy can be either one, based on which path you follow, so both warrant inclusion. 74.215.110.151 02:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
The Pitt and Op: Anch.[]
I believe that the characters from these DLCs shouldn't be counted as true main antagonists, as first two DLCs only expand the story, not continues it. So I deleted Jingwei and Ashur from the Template... Anyway, if you people disagree with me you could always put them back.
Broken Steel antagonist(s)?[]
I wonder, seeing as we've listed the Alien captain as the Mothership Zeta antagonist even though it/he isn't as prominent as any of the other Antagonists of Fallout 3 and doesn't even have a name apart from his/its title, are there any Enclave personnel of a high enough rank to be considered the acting leader and thus the antagonist of Broken Steel? I mean, seeing as President Eden has already been destroyed and Colonel Autumn is either killed or sent away by that point. Perhaps the Enclave Sigma Leader could suffice as the antagonist, seeing as he's the leader of the highest-ranking squad of Enclave soldiers you encounter in the entire game, there aren't any other notable personnel of higher rank present at the time/place you meet him, and he's stationed at the Mobile base crawler, which is the Enclave HQ for that expansion? If so, would it be okay if I listed him on this template with the others? Jykale (talk) 19:17, April 17, 2015 (UTC)